1: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 04:00:02.25 0.net
A couple of years ago I had a rather strong dislike of her, but now even just listening to her talk will make me start unconsciously grinning to myself.
3: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 04:01:58.49 0.net
4: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 04:03:38.06 0.net
It’s not just Sato — it takes time with each H!P member to learn what they’re like. The question you should be asking is: what was it that finally made everyone like her?
9: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 04:10:27.70 0.net
With other H!P members it feels like there was something specific that happened that made me start liking them, but with Maa-chan it’s just… one day I noticed that she’d won me over. She simply has that strange sort of appeal about her.
5: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 04:04:40.87 0.net
So you’ve finally awoken to Maa-chan’s cuteness, huh?
12: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 04:45:11.84 0.net
23: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 05:27:54.29 0.net
I’m not a wota but Sato right now really is something incredible. She’s both cool and cute, and she’s without a doubt their ace.
46: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 18:47:32.65 0.net
She’s become the no. 1 most popular member all out of the blue, just like that.
32: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 06:31:52.20 0.net
For me it went like:
Liked her (for the first year) → hated her (for the next two years) → like her (ever since then).
35: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 06:38:58.63 0.net
For better or worse, Sato’s the type of person who makes people feel something. There are people who’ve loved her since the beginning, people who came to love her later on, people who’ve always hated her, and people who started hating her somewhere down the line.
In other words, there aren’t a lot of people who feel indifferent about Sato.
36: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 06:44:50.02 0.net
I’ve just recently come to like her. I’m constantly checking out her old videos on YouTube.
41: 名無し募集中。。。 2018/03/09(金) 09:12:35.30 0.net
I loved her the moment I saw her audition footage. I’ve continued to love her for the past seven years… and it’s like, “I guess this kind of thing really does happen to people.“
1. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 08:29 id：O.JDpeui0
It takes one as long to come to love her as it does to come to hate her.
2. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 08:41 id：30oPAhVQ0
I used to dislike her in the beginning, but now she’s gradually become someone I like.
3. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 08:59 id：De7iYPW60
I’m still unable to like her.
I just can’t stand her character.
4. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 09:06 id：bXB0O1eM0
Same here. I can’t stand her.
I guess that incomprehensible character of hers just isn’t for me…
6. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 09:42 id：RpTV2PCt0
As someone who in the past never used to care for idols in the least, I became an H!P wota after getting completely addicted to her character. But since then, I just started noticing more and more faults about her and I came to dislike her. Thus, I moved over to Karin-chan.
And yet, lately when I’m watching their performances I can’t help but focus on Maa-chan. Little by little, I’m starting to like her again. So I completely understand the feelings of both her antis as well as her devotees.
8. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 10:11 id：uQ2k0L4.0
It’s true that it feels like there aren’t a lot of fans out there who feel neutral about Maa-chan.
11. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 10:23 id：Bz7z4wJj0
I think many of the people who come to like Maa-chan start off from a position of disliking her. Sure, some people will like her from the get-go, but I feel like the majority of her fans start by going “what the hell is up with this girl?“
30. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 14:13 id：izIlnLlP0
Completely agreed. I was like that, and Nacky and Maimai say the same thing, too.
15. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 10:46 id：JWUvEL7h0
Maa-chan’s performances are so cool I’ve learned to turn a blind eye to her faults.
18. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 11:26 id：sYNVSo4h0
I so get the thing about her being someone who is able to shake up people’s feelings about her, for better or worse. She’s able to make everyone care about her to that extent. I do think she has that star quality about her.
19. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 11:33 id：2bdULFWC0
I simply can’t understand how there are people who don’t get what’s so funny about her. She always livens up the atmosphere, and yet when any of the other members start talking she always lets them speak.
20. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 11:33 id：EFgFyPaR0
She has the H!P face.
Also, her current hairdo suits her the best.
21. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 11:34 id：4hKbGHN10
It’s not every day you see people like her who you just can’t take your eyes off of. She’s such an interesting person.
24. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 12:07 id：pWZEzFZl0
I really don’t like her character, but seeing that performance of “Watashi no Nanni mo Wakacchanai” from the other day and her skits on Hello! Morning, I did think about how amazing she is. I love how she always gives her best performance in whatever role she’s given.
25. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 12:12 id：PMR.jMdx0
I first started to think she looked cute around ’15 when she started wearing her hair down, but I actually liked her performances — or rather, her personality — the most up to around ’14. That period of time when she was just happily laughing all the time. She looked like she was having the most fun around the time when Reina and Michishige were in the group.
Sure, her performances now are great and all, but I sometimes feel like she’s forcing herself too much to look cool.
26. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 13:25 id：WNzxVzLd0
People can’t feel indifferent about Maa-chan, huh…? Yeah, that might be true. For better or worse, she does attract attention.
Personally, I used to like her but little by little I came to dislike her. I do think her performances are impressive and that she’s essential to Musume right now, but I just can’t bring myself to like her character and how she makes it plainly obvious when she’s not motivated about certain kinds of work… I used to be able to accept it by thinking “well, she’s still only a child.” But as she keeps getting older, I can’t help but think “how long is she going to keep acting this way?“
But I don’t feel indifferent about her. I want to like her again.
27. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 13:50 id：orbjKMe60
I’ve loved her ever since they first announced the 10th gen members at Budokan. Kinder and funnier than anyone, Maa-chan really is — as Tsunku♂ put it — an outstanding talent.
28. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 13:58 id：rp.OGOvJ0
Mmm… I still dislike her. I wonder if I’ll be able to come to like her before her graduation? For the time being I’m just unable to see her appeal.
34. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 16:24 id：739KzJno0
I always thought she had very mature, beautiful facial features, and lately it feels like maybe what’s on the inside is starting to catch up to her looks, too. Also, she’s a good girl who looks after her juniors. She has consideration for others. And her performance abilities are so amazing, I can’t take my eyes off her. I feel happy just watching her.
36. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 16:54 id：CV44fT6I0
She’s still reckless with her actions and statements and she doesn’t present herself well. And yet, I feel like she does have the makings of a leader.
42. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 22:16 id：1rXdstOW0
I don’t see what’s supposed to be appealing about her, be it on the inside or out.
10. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 10:20 id：MZoPBZRF0
Maa-chan no miryoku ni kizukanai donkan na hito
49. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月11日 00:56 id：X2zXBpGK0
I get the bit about not being able to stay indifferent about her. There’s something about her that’s both fascinating, and yet, something that also pushes one away from her. She has a strong personality and she does have that star quality — even if I’m personally unable to like her.
46. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月10日 23:46 id：E3oQg7pN0
I hate how aggressive her wota are.
48. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月11日 00:55 id：Yh3Fd6rp0
What? If anything, it’s the wota of other members who are aggressive. Have you seen all those Sato antis?
50. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月11日 01:36 id：ECseA0.q0
It’s not that they’re aggressive so much as they’re just easy to get riled-up about stuff. They should learn to just let it slide.
52. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月11日 07:14 id：Yh3Fd6rp0
“Let it slide?” No, what needs to happen is for the antis to disappear. Would you be able to brush it off if someone was saying stuff like that about someone you love? I don’t think so.
55. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月11日 13:10 id：w2NZBGHb0
Antis love it when they can successfully get people riled up. That’s why they do what they do. Ignoring people like that completely is what works against them the best. I know it can piss you off, but you really ought to be able to keep a cool head.
Lately I’m starting to see fights like that even in the YouTube comment sections and it’s just… gimme a break. It sours the mood for everyone having to see people acting that way in the comments. Just keep that stuff to this place.
53. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月11日 12:17 id：g8eK6Ve50
There definitely are some Maa fans out there who will put down other members for the sake of praising her. To fans of those other members, those Maa fans must look like nothing but antis.
54. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月11日 12:33 id：WN3x9u7Y0
I thought she was cute and childlike in around ’14 when she was getting up to all her crazy antics, but the older she gets the harder it becomes for me to watch.
Also, as ※53 said, wota who diss on other members just to elevate Sato has made Sato herself look worse in my eyes.
47. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2018年03月11日 00:38 id：VzeKdEQL0
I’m a new fan who found the group with One Two Three. When I first saw the music video, she was the one I had the absolute least interest in. And yet, I was so drawn to her performances that I’d soon come to like her before even realizing it.
She wasn’t very popular back then in the beginning and I remember one time when you could get one of their autographs through a random lottery and I seriously felt so disappointed when I got Maa-chan’s. But now, five years later, that autograph is my treasure. You just never know what life may bring.
Henkka what’s your opinion on Maachan?
I like her. I think she’s great. I was already in my twenties when she joined the group and so when we first started hearing Gaki-san on the radio telling her stories of Maa-chan, you know, being a pain in the ass and running around completely naked in the dressing room and that sort of thing, I could just take it for what it was: a child being a child. So I never took issue with any of that. And I really like the whole “meme” of her being the Tsunku-approved, musical prodigy of the group. All in all, my opinion of Maa-chan is very positive.
My wife’s opinion of me for liking Maa-chan, however, leaves something to be desired.
She certainly appreciates Tsunku’s music in a way few people can
“leaves something to be desired.”
Your wife is French?
I don’t really follow MM that closely anymore so maybe she’s changed but I really couldn’t stand her when she joined. That kind of bratty/annoying/wtf personality she had isn’t why I follow idols. These days I’ve mellowed but wouldn’t say I like her.
As for her fans, well honestly I find a lot of idol fans to be really annoying about their oshi’s. They just can’t seem to like someone without putting other members down. Airi had many fans like that when I discovered C-ute, who were the first HP group for me, and it made me take a dislike to Airi that had nothing to do with her.
Absolutely. I had the same problem with Riho – Riho herself was great, quite smug and calculating maybe, but nowhere as bad as some fans made her out to be. However, as soon as you criticized her singing – which was, after all, subpar for a lead singer – you had around 20 people at your throat.
Honestly, I think that’s the biggest reason why popular girls usually have lots of “haters” or “antis”. It’s not the right reaction, of course, since the girls aren’t at fault here, but it does leave a bad taste in your mouth.
I felt like I had to control myself from disliking Maachan before. Her fans were just horribly annoying (nowhere along the lines of Riho’s though) but I came to like her a lot more after I tuned them out, and she also started having more consistency in her performance. I hate to have something out of their control affect their image but it really can’t be helped much.
I wonder if Masaki and Airi’s habit of running around in the dressing room naked is related to them picking up a lot of oshi’s that were negative about other members?
I used to hate her. I thought she was a noisy brat. But after I watched the video of Riho scolding her as if Riho was her sensei. I grown fond of Maachan.
Wow, the whole discussion underneath #46 is very similar to the one we had in the last Masaki-thread. Japanese and non-Japanese fandom aren’t that different after all.
I feel #26. I also think her mood swings are pretty unprofessional and it was easy to let it fall aside when she was younger, but now she’s at an age where she’s a legal adult in many places worldwide so you’d think she’d be a bit more mature and responsible.
I don’t even think there are no people who feel indifferent towards Masaki, it’s just that the very supportive and proud fans as well as non-fans (“antis”) are just very, very loud and noticeable.
Definitely agree with 53, “There definitely are some Maa fans out there who will put down other members for the sake of praising Maa-chan.“ There’s of course nothing wrong with praising your oshi, but don’t do it at the expense of putting down the other members
Great moments in Sato Masaki English:
“Surappingu Awaa Botamu”
The only thing I wasn’t always quite fond of was her laugh – but that’s only because it’s a very hearty, childish possession-giggle (so even still it can irk me loll)
I feel like I’m the only one who’s never encountered a rabid Maachan fan who puts others down… I’ve seen plenty of those for Airi tho, and just like with other people, it turned me off from her, which is a pity
Well, we all have to admit that Airi IS good at everything she does, so I understand why she’s almost deity to her wota. And I am a Berryz fan who didn’t even like C-ute…
I’m also a Berryz fan (kinda indifferent towards C-ute), but tbh I think Miya’s voice has a lot more character to it than Airi’s. Idk, her voice just feels too plain and nondistinct to me, although she hits the notes well and stuff. With Miya’s I really feel more raw emotion coming through.
But if I had to pick my favorite thing about Airi, I guess it’d be her puns :D
“Airi IS good at everything she does”
Have you ever seen an Airi MC? She’s horrendous, lmao. I mean, it’s part of her character that she’s this weird, quirky girl that is constantly mumbling who is also an outstanding performer. But she struggled early on.
That’s true, you could say that one thing she’s bad at is enunciation ^^
I was a bit disappointed when I read the comments for the other blog. But this one calmed me because there are actually fans who share my opinion. It’s just that haters are more aggressive and share their ill thoughts literally everywhere. I have learned to ignore them but sometimes I can’t do that. I wrote a blog about her just before you posted this one here:
Btw. it made me really happy, that you like Maa, Henkka! ^^ This little devil is the reason, why I still follow MM and she means so much to me. Seriously, thank you for this translation!
Her hair always looks extremely smooth. I wanna touch it
If I’ve learned one thing from this post, it’s that if you love Maa-chan, then there was probably a time in the past, or will be a time in the future that you hate her. And if you hate her, then there was probably a time in the past, or will be a time in the future that you love her.
It’s like some kind of weird infinite Maa-chan love/hate vortex loop.
“In other words, there aren’t a lot of people who feel indifferent about Sato.”
Well, I’m one of those fans who feel pretty indifferent towards Maachan. Though I’m not THAT into Momusu to know more about her (or the other members for that matter) so as to maybe start disliking her as an idol or the opposite, I just go with my impression of the members from MVs or concerts.
From that I think Maachan is okay but I really dislike the way she sounds. And even though I consider myself as someone who feels pretty indifferent towards her, having no real negative feelings towards her besides not really liking her voice, I also somehow kind of would like to see MM without her? Or at least wouldn’t mind. Like, in Jealousy Jealousy when she couldn’t participate because she was injured (poor girl btw, I certainly didn’t feel happy that she was injured), it felt so refreshing somehow? So yeah, I don’t really hate Maachan but at the same time she does make me feel something so much that I actually felt refreshed when she wasn’t around? (though the reason why she wasn’t is sad). It’s weird lol.
Have loved her from the very moment the audition footage came out and have only grown to love her as time passed. Her performance is of course cool as of late, but I’ve always loved how incredibly natural and goofy she is. She’s like a box full of surprises and you never know exactly how she’s going to react. On top of that she is a tsundere, kimagure princess, and has the most amazing laugh. Greatly helps that it all comes in an incredibly cute package!
I agree with 4 but also 9, lol.
Idk, I stopped paying attention to MM for about 3 years, so I only recently got to know all the members that joined while I was out of the loop. Of course, Masaki was already in the group, but I still didn’t know much of her before I just completely stopped paying attention.
I was really impressed with her stage presence, and I felt bad that people were so harsh on her for doing childish things, as a member who joined when she was young. Yes, idols should be professional to a degree, but I don’t think we should expect kids to hide the fact that they’re kids, impulsive and silly.
I think it’s cool she’s good with rhythm and can make music herself. I also remember watching a performance of MM in Korea & someone in the comments pointed out that Oda messed up so Masaki compensated and the choreo still looked good.
IDK TLDR I think if you don’t take her actions too seriously you can have a good time. If you look at idols through an ultra-serious lense, you’ll probably get angry and upset over what amounts to be an idol’s character.
to be honest, I respect her and her contributions to the group, but I’m pretty indifferent to her overall.
She’s weird. OK I’m her wota now.
-me after watching some oof morning musume’s funny clips and doing some research.
I liked her sooo much, but now it’s alternating, I’m getting confused.
Now that my depression is a bit worse, thinking of how talented and skilled she is makes mw question my life, and it pushes me to commit suicide everytime it happens.
It’s weird but true.
Early days with all the meme that she was something, someone special.
Years passed by just to prove that she is really ‘the one’.
Not many members, if any, get a thread like this.
I knew something was up with this girl when I saw her audition video, which she performed her dance outdoor with a giant tree in a background with grass and barefoot in some rual area of Hokkaido. She is the one to watch. That’s not everyone’s first choice of location to film your dance routine for audition, is not it? Lol
It is right that no one can feel nuetral about her. As for me, it is some part of her antics, part of her thoughts, that make me re-visit part of my younger self, and some emotion that I’ve already long forgotten. Something that you have lost as you grow older.
It is not about because I watch a child being grow, because I have seen many idols grow old as well. It’s something with more genuine quality, which many years have passed, and I’m still not sure what it is.
Whether you love her or hate her, you have to admit she’s unique. Are there any other idols like her? The way she talks? The way she acts? The way she engages whoever is talking to her? The way she jokes around? The way she trolls her seniors?
And yet she can still bring it on stage. Who will ever forget her “AaaaaiiiiiisaarreetAAAAIIIIIIIII!!”
Is there any other idol organization on earth that would tolerate, let alone hire someone like her?
That said, Maachan and Sasshi are two peas in a pod. I love the fact they’re wota /for each other/.
Me? Yes it took me a little bit of time to get to know her, but once I have I adore and cherish her. I have never seen an idol like her before and I sincerely doubt we will see anyone like her ever again.
“Is there any other idol organization on earth that would tolerate, let alone hire someone like her?”
That. While she is certainly spicing things up as the other members might be a bit plain for public attention, she is also benefiting from a large group and a steady organization.
On a personal note I have a hard time standing her antics, but I don’t care much either.
I think I would like Sato Masaki if she was a villain on a campy TV show rather than an idol. There, her explosive expression changes, her unpredictability, and her weird way of talking would be positives.
I wasn’t a fan of Masaki until I met her in person in Houston. Seeing her behavior and antics up-close, she came off much more endearing than annoying, like I expected.
Plus she gave me a handshake and a high-five at the autograph session!