1: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:11:13.63 0.net
20:50 – 2017年11月21日
Oda-chan: “If you were to compare yourself to when Nakazawa-san used to describe you as “incredible” versus Sato-san right now, who do you think is worse?”
Tsuji-chan: “Maa-chan is pretty incredible.”
Maa-chan: “I don’t want to be told that by you!“
To think the day would come that we would actually get to see an exchange like this. #morningmusume17
20:36 – 2017年11月21日
Sakura: “I have a question for you, Tsuji-san. I’ve heard about Nakazawa-san complaining how difficult you used to be, so who would you say is worse: you or Sato-san?”
Tsuji: “Oh, Masaki-chan is way worse.”
Maa: “I don’t want to be told that by you!!“
Maa-chan insisting that at least she’s not as bad as Tsuji-san. #morningmusume17
20:34 – 2017年11月21日
Musume Budokan MC, Nono-tan vs. Maa-chan, part 1.
Oda: “Tsuji-san, Nakazawa-san has previously said that you used to be quite the handful. In your opinion, who do you think is worse: you back then, or Sato-san right now?”
Tsuji: “That’s got to be Maa-chan.”
Sato: “You were way worse!“
6: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:21:14.97 0.net
Who Is The Biggest Pain-In-The-Neck Member In Momusu’s History? Tsuji VS Sato Live Confrontation!
29: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:55:55.46 0.net
I’m jealous of everyone who got to see this live.
19: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:48:38.51 0.net
No wonder this became news.
10: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:23:33.64 0.net
Niigaki: “It’s Koharu!”
28: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:55:10.22 0.net
As expected of Gaki-san.
12: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:32:54.34 0.net
Nono-tan, Maa-chan, and Koharu need to create a new group together.
14: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:45:20.38 0.net
Tsuji: can’t read kanji.
Sato: can’t read katakana.
This is the level of difference we’re talking about here.
24: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:51:50.14 0.net
Tsuji and Maa-chan seem really friendly with each other.
26: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:53:53.03 0.net
34: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 22:13:06.76 0.net
Ishikawa: “Maa-chan is way bigger of a problem child than Tsuji-Kago.”
Ishikawa-san already told the truth about this a long time ago!
39: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/22(水) 00:24:30.42 0.net
Well, if Ishikawa says so then I’ll believe it — considering how it’s probably Ishikawa who was troubled the most by their actions.
2. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2017年11月23日 07:50 id：W.zsY2QY0
Some years ago, there was this one concert opening where it was obvious that the members all had predetermined places for everyone to sit down, and yet Sato went ahead and sat down at the very center without any hesitation. That left an impression on me. I don’t think Tsuji would’ve ever done anything that daring. The worst she ever did was to start crying when she didn’t get the reward food on Hello! Morning or something.
3. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2017年11月23日 09:39 id：ArLfcPYk0
Sato may be the bigger rascal within H!P, but in Tsuji-chan’s case it was like she was messing with the whole entertainment industry at large — although that might’ve just been a sign of the times. But she and Kago would do a poor impression of Gackt right in front of him, which did not amuse him at all. On SMAP×SMAP when they sung with them, the two went ahead and kancho‘d Nakai together. It was funny how unstoppable they were.
4. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2017年11月23日 09:49 id：Y0UQ.xz.0
Doesn’t it kind of feel like the “awfulness” of Tsuji-Kago and Maa-chan are on different levels entirely though? Kago-Tsuji were just these stupid brats whereas Maa-chan is more… I don’t know what I’d call her. Something aside from just “stupid brat”…
7. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2017年11月23日 17:05 id：j6zNFC.L0
Before she graduated, Tsuji-chan released that book with Kago-chan where she said something along the lines of: “we’ve been working while surrounded by adults since we were little, so I’m confident that much more mature than the average 16-year-old out there.” So while she may have been acting all noisily in the spotlight, intellectually I think she had her stuff together.
9. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2017年11月24日 00:29 id：Ml0n8aMq0
Looking back on Tsuji-Kago now, I think they were definitely acting immaturely considering their age at the time. They may have been partly playing up those childlike qualities just because there was a demand for it. When it comes to Minimoni and their outfits and concepts, Tsuji-Kago as well as Yaguchi and Mika-chan really did their best to do what was needed of them…
10. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2017年11月27日 07:20 id：DRgRBojd0
In Tsuji’s case, she was purposefully trying to act like a spoiled brat. With Maa-chan’s mischievousness, a lot of it has to be completely unconscious — though maybe less so these days.
11. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2017年12月07日 18:18 id：26JoJY650
This. While Tsuji-chan may have eventually withdrawn because of her shotgun wedding, her recklessness back then was all just a character to stay afloat within the entertainment industry. She acted that way because she could tell it was what people wanted out of her.
42: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/22(水) 01:34:41.17 0.net
It’s another decisive victory for Maa-chan, huh?
25: 名無し募集中。。。 2017/11/21(火) 21:52:58.68 0.net
I remember going to an event once, and there was this elementary school girl talking to her father while pointing at a poster. “That’s Tsuji-chan. She’s the stupid one.”
Maa is the natural born brat type,
Tsuji was a professional brat,
Aibon was the smoking delinquent brat
and Koharu… well Koharu was Koharu.
Each one a different type of the glorious “stupid idol” role.
Maa-chan is truly the most enigmatic brat of all time. You can spend hours staring out into space, trying to figure out the meaning of all the weird crap she does.
Maa-chan is a class above everyone else. She’ll end up either with an award or with a life sentence. And I love that I can’t tell which one is most probable.
Both of them are brats
(but I reminded the previous translated handshake incidents, so… not sure if things like maa-chan did would be possible at Tsuji time)
Yeah, I agree with the comments about it being intentional. I think it became intentional for Masaki over time, but I wouldn’t argue with the fact that it was probably natural brattiness sometimes.
Like Ulises said, there’ll always be room for a “stupid idol” role & the fans who like them. (I’m one of them, so, not shade)
According to Sayu, Koharu was pretty manipulative and disrespectful of sempais. Otherwise she acted mostly professional in front of the screen and in concerts.
Maachan was shown to have been unprofessional in stage plays and in fan greetings.
I don’t remember much of tsuji and kago except mari-chan felt she was being bullied by the pair from time to time.
Everything and everyone in Hello Project is just stepping stones for Koharu
Since Hello!Project doesn’t offer many of the H!P idols staff jobs after graduation, why SHOULDN’T she consider H!P a means to an end? Koharu did a great job of “building her brand” at H!P but failed miserably at developing the skills needed to stay at H!P so they kicked her out. Even so, she’s had a pretty good post H!P career, so she has done the most with the least so to speak.
If I’m not mistaken, I think it was the pair who felt bullied by Mari. What they did to her was just payback.
BTW, a lot of the Platinum members seem to confirm that Mari was overall not too nice to her kohai behind the scene. Don’t know if it’s because:
1 – She hated being in Minimoni
2 – She fell threatened by the younglings
3 – She’s just an evil biatch
My guess is, her ex-husband might pick numero 3.
The the story line that Minimoni was Mari’s idea just a story line?
Also, if Mari was a bad person 24/7 how come she was regularly on six different variety shows a week at one point?
Kids feel like they were being bullied by an older person usually is because the kids were brat and the adult in the situation wants them to behave.
Hope Sato graduates soon. Im sick of her.
Fuck you ^_^
Hasn’t Soto Ayano Sato already left Up Up Girls Kako Kari?