1: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 13:03:10.39 0.net
That’s something she said on Konusapi back in 2010. I wonder what she thinks about H!P nowadays with so many of the new debuting members originating from Kenshuusei.
17: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 13:13:39.07 0.net
As expected of Chayu.
11: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 13:09:15.36 0.net
This was around the time 9th gen joined, right? I remember her saying that, too.
14: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 13:10:52.68 0.net
No way. If you don’t have them go through a training period, you don’t know if they’re actually suitable for debuting.
15: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 13:13:04.86 0.net
But even if you do, you’ll sometimes still have cases like those of Yuukarin and Sakichi, too.
32: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 13:35:17.80 0.net
That seems like such a Michishige-like thing to say — considering her love for children who are still in the midst of that development.
39: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 13:43:21.26 0.net
If they’re not from Kenshuusei, they won’t be able to withstand the hardships of such rigorous work and they’ll just end up quitting anyway.
60: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 14:27:48.08 0.net
There’s some truth to what she’s saying.
46: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 14:03:30.41 0.net
Couldn’t you just follow them while they’re Kenshuusei if you want to see their growth so badly?
62: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 14:30:01.48 0.net
It’s true though that they have them out in the open way too much for being just trainees. To the wota, there’s not that much “freshness” left about them by the time they debut.
93: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 14:48:55.17 0.net
That’s pretty much a Tsunku-ism what she said there.
120: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 15:23:14.06 0.net
Even Ayaya spent half a year training before her debut. That’s why she was able have that kind of quality even at 14 years old (which is just a miracle). And she kept improving in huge amounts for the next year or two.
127: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 15:27:17.27 0.net
Morning Musume is the only group who can afford to have a complete amateur debut.
134: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 15:35:53.28 0.net
This is why everyone was so crazy about Uta-chan. She was a fresh face. And yet, it was too much for her. It’s not often you find stars like her, so when you do, it’s safer to just have them train starting from when they’re young and get them ready.
191: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 16:43:00.88 0.net
I think the only thing they really need is just a bit of initial training and discipline. Anything more than that, it does them more harm than good.
195: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 16:50:14.31 0.net
Musume is a group that has the best of both worlds: they’ve made their performance skills their selling point, but they’re also an idol talent group. They have to represent both those aspects about them. If people talk only about one of those things, that’d mean they were a failed production.
218: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 19:35:26.59 0.net
Zukki’s the only one of them who was a complete amateur, right?
221: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 20:03:46.39 0.net
When I see people such as Sato and Nakanishi, I can’t help but agree with what she’s saying. Especially so for Sato.
223: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/09(火) 20:16:50.93 0.net
S/mileage’s 2nd gen are the last torchbearers of that H!P “soul.”
274: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/02/10(水) 10:13:38.06 0.net
The good thing about the Kenshuusei system is how they can get their faces and names out there and keep them training for half a year or so — during this time they can find out if she doesn’t know how to behave, or they’ll have people from her town or from the internet disclose if she has a weird past. They save money by not having to hire a private investigator do any digging about her.
1. カラフル名無しさん 2016年02月10日 13:16 ID:xe6rraJs0
I think it’s pretty obvious they need to have at least some skill if you’re going to put someone out there in front of people and try to sell them to that audience.
4. カラフル名無しさん 2016年02月10日 15:16 ID:c.5W4AuY0
I know there are a lot of people out there who are fans of the non-skilled members. I’m not that fussy about skill either, but it’s not good if the majority of the members can’t do anything. I realized this when I saw Tsubaki and compared them to Kobushi, who have several members who can actually sing. (Though I do like the members of Tsubaki.) And Tsubaki, too, trained before their debut. When I look up some underground idols, I only rarely find someone good. Most of the time it’s just bad lip-syncing and they try to sell the group through opportunities to touch the members and them acting like hostesses towards the fans. That’s not something I’m looking for in H!P.
5. カラフル名無しさん 2016年02月10日 16:29 ID:pmwpOGT10
It’s not like Kenshuusei members are the only girls out there who have any skills. Some of them have been in chorus singing clubs in school or they’ve done ballet or whatever so they can sing and dance well.
13. カラフル名無しさん 2016年02月10日 22:20 ID:pmwpOGT10
It is fun watching the growth process. Girls like Maa-chan or Kananan just made you worried in the beginning, but now they’ve suddenly become these members who are just irreplaceable in ANGERME and Momusu. Or, girls like Gaki-san or Sayashi who had really childlike voices but can now sing even those low bass tones. Or someone like Reina who could sing well from the get-go, but was completely expressionless and emotionless in her delivery, who can now actually make those expressions. Or someone like Ikuta who was a completely worthless dancer in the beginning, but has now made so much progress and is also pretty funny, too. The girls from Kenshuusei are so great from the beginning, you don’t really see the room for growth as much.
12. カラフル名無しさん 2016年02月10日 21:26 ID:91gA1XKH0
I think the reason people are moved when seeing stuff like Sayu’s “Akai Freesia” or Berikyuu’s “Ganbacchae!” is because you can see how much they’ve grown from that time at the very beginning when they couldn’t do a thing. Now with girls like Inaba and Murota — girls who’ve been praised from the moment they debuted — there might not be that sense of moving nostalgia even later on down the line.
H!P used to be about debuting the underachieving amateurs — that was the “H!P-ness” of the past. Nowadays, “H!P-ness” is about choosing the girls who are already perfect from the beginning.
Well, I guess change is only inevitable.