1: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:06:14.38 0.net
I wonder if this is something that only applies to women? I often make friends with other girls who like H!P but so many of them just switch to another idol group within six months. It’s so sad.
3: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:08:41.06 0.net
Women are quick to move on since there’s no pseudo-romance aspect for them.
5: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:09:28.64 0.net
It feels weird seeing them tweeting about other idols on my timeline… It’s like, what happened to you loving H!P forever?
7: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:11:24.99 0.net
I’ve been a fan and even had a fan blog ever since elementary school. The girl wota have all gone somewhere and now the only wota friends that remain for me are guys.
9: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:12:08.80 0.net
There are a lot of girls who don’t even last the six months. And I mean a lot.
10: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:12:34.82 0.net
If you stop keeping in contact with them just because their interests change, they were never your friends to begin with. I’m a H!P wota but I have friends that are AKB or Momoclo wota. We just agree to never speak ill of each others’ favorite idols.
14: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:13:53.48 0.net
True, you can’t call them friends. Just “wota friends.” Still, it’s pretty depressing.
13: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:13:16.08 0.net
Why not make friends with male wota then? Just find the proper kind of old guys who have no interest in pursuing women anymore.
18: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:15:15.18 0.net
Why run after girls in the first place if you’re girls yourselves? Are you all lesbians?
20: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:16:24.84 0.net
I was just about to write that the OP gives me some lesbian vibes. (laughs)
22: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:17:58.96 0.net
>>18
I imagine it’s kind of like how grown men run after Nagabuchi Tsuyoshi.
24: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:18:28.64 0.net
Guys who run after Nagabuchi Tsuyoshi won’t forget about him in six months though.
19: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:16:18.43 0.net
Even among us male wota it feels weird when your friend has the same oshi as you.
21: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:16:44.08 0.net
You often hear people say how it’s easier to be friends with other girl wota. I have girl wota acquaintances, too, but I just feel weird being with them. I prefer my male wota friends.
28: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:19:40.38 0.net
It’s not like girls are the only ones who move on to other idols. It’s just that there are just so many guys that it doesn’t stand out when they do the same.
45: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:29:49.13 0.net
That’s what idols are about. It’s not something you stay a fan of forever in reality.
46: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:30:22.50 0.net
Switching to another idol group is fine, but what is it with the people who start talking shit about the idols they previously liked?
52: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:33:48.70 0.net
For many girls, idols are just like this fashion thing. They’re quick to get into it, but they’re also quick to get bored of it.
51: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:32:54.69 0.net
There are lots of women who also like AKB. A lot of the male H!P wota are fans of H!P exclusively, but women will often like a bigger selection of idols.
56: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:35:32.56 0.net
It’s way weirder to only be a fan of one specific idol group when there’s such an abundance of interesting idols out there nowadays.
57: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:35:52.85 0.net
There’s quite a big difference between the lesbians who only see the members in a romantic light, the girls who just genuinely like H!P for their songs and performances, and the girls who just like being fans of idols because it’s fashionable.
66: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:41:47.28 0.net
I’m one of those girl wota who genuinely likes H!P for the songs and performances. I second there being a big difference in the degrees of commitment when I’m looking at all the fashion wota girls on Twitter.
68: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:42:21.15 0.net
Guess they’re a bit like the newbie soccer fans.
71: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:43:16.42 0.net
I’m genuinely a middle-aged man and I can say that I have no wota friends.
89: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:51:05.76 0.net
To most female wota it’s all about their wota friends rather than their oshi. When one of their friends switches to another idol group, they switch with them right after. That’s typical female wota for you.
91: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:51:46.25 0.net
>>89
I’ve never been able to hang out with groups like that myself. I’m a solitary wota.
94: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:52:42.67 0.net
People who can’t attend events just by themselves won’t stay fans for long. That’s the truth for both men and women.
96: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:53:40.91 0.net
If you’re the type who’s sworn to always remain a faithful supporter of just one single member, your idol will sooner or later — without exceptions — betray you. That’s why you choose a 2nd, 3rd, even 4th oshi so it doesn’t hurt you as bad. This is the number one most important precautionary measure any idol wota must take to protect themselves mentally.
93: 1＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/07/02(水) 11:52:27.68 0.net
Try to guess whose fan I am. I think she’s the most graceful member of H!P.
107: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:56:51.66 0.net
“Try to guess”… fuck off, OP.
110: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:57:15.46 0.net
>>107
That’s women for you.
125: 1＠＼(^o^)／ 2014/07/02(水) 12:01:24.82 0.net
Sorry. It’s Maimi-chan. I’m so in love with her, I think most people would find me quite gross.
153: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 12:13:39.59 0.net
That’s pretty rare, being the type who’s seriously in love with a member while also hating it when other fans switch to other idols. I, too, am seriously in love with my oshi, but when one of her wota switches to another idol, it feels like I’ve just lost a rival.
129: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 12:02:51.02 0.net
Many of my acquaintances are so stingy when it comes to H!P but spend crazy amounts of money at Johnny’s concerts. On the other hand, the girls that do prefer H!P all look like they’re suffering from a gender identity disorder.
136: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 12:05:00.23 0.net
>>129
A lot of the serious female wota do look like guys.
137: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 12:05:18.07 0.net
That’s just the sort of annoyance you can expect when you make wota friends. I don’t want to hear others telling me they’re switching to some other group, and even if I myself was doing so, I wouldn’t want to say it. That’s why I don’t tell anyone I’m a wota and I don’t make any acquaintances at events. I’m just going to keep enjoying idols alone by myself.
1. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月02日 15:26 ID:PpNoFUJd0
I’m a female wota who came to like H!P purely because of their songs and performances. I don’t go to any events and I don’t make friends with other wota.
2. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月02日 15:31 ID:jigLDNhN0
I can’t do many fan activities because of a lack of money. (cries) It’s seriously just not possible for me with my current financial situation… (;_;)
3. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月02日 15:59 ID:Y9Nh5.L80
I’m a female wota and I’d say I’ve been a fan for a pretty long time. Probably because I have other hobbies, too. (laughs) I don’t make friends with other wota because I have no interest in talking about idols with anyone else.
4. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月02日 16:14 ID:FsdGwEmH0
It’s been about a year since I came back to H!P. I do occasionally think I’d like to have some wota girlfriends, but then I remember just how bothersome it is to hang around with other girls and how simple it is to just enjoy idols alone. Thus I’m a female wota who just watches the members’ videos, reads their blogs and marvels at how cute they are. I don’t have the courage to go to events by myself yet, but I do want to go eventually.
14. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月03日 00:14 ID:r8hKsNwuO
I originally never had any interest in idols to begin with so seeing other idols doesn’t make me think about them one way or the other.
17. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月03日 02:23 ID:1SiN6Ngk0
I’m a light wota who got into Musume during the Golden Era, but I later got into Berikyuu, S/mileage and J=J, too, after seeing them in Hello Concert videos. I think Tsunku’s melodies and lyrics are the most important thing for me. Also, seeing the girls doing their best and chattering amongst themselves is like I’m watching some puppies or kittens playing. Their cuteness heals me. I often think to myself like “I really like her voice!” or “I wish she’d sing that one song!” and stuff, and I like the relationships between girls like Rihoriho and Kanon as well as other H!P members. I don’t go to events so I just cheer them on from home.
18. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月03日 02:28 ID:1SiN6Ngk0
In addition: maybe it’s because I’m a thirtysomething, but I don’t identify with the members and I’m not in love with them either. I don’t think I’m the only female wota out there who just likes to watch over them as they grow up. Maybe it’s a maternal thing.
19. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月03日 07:49 ID:HSPU6RuG0
I had several wota girlfriends in the beginning but it got bothersome fast and we lost contact. Nowadays I’ll say hi to them when I see them at events and stuff, but at the end of the day it’s much easier and more fun to just hang out with older male wota. Apart from the occasional troublemaker, H!P wota are for the most part all really well-mannered, too. I don’t know if it’s because they’re rich or what, but sometimes they’ll give me tickets for free even without me asking for them. They just seem so laid back.
207: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 12:54:37.27 0.net
There are as many lives as there are wota.
Henkka: I can identify with the OP — your friends losing interest in H!P does suck. I’ve personally watched over two real-life friends from the very early beginnings of their fandoms. I introduced them to their first music videos, watched as they gradually chose their first oshi members, listened to their reports on how they were spending more and more money on merchandise… hell, both of them actually visited Japan and saw H!P in concert before I did. But most of all, I enjoyed the countless of occasions the three of us would spend watching H!P videos and getting stupidly drunk together.
Now: I doubt either of them could put names to half the faces of Morning Musume. Don’t get me wrong, I still count both of them as some of my closest friends and we definitely still get drunk together whenever the opportunity presents itself, but gone is the idol aspect of our friendship.
Thus, they are both complete bastards.
Source: http://matomeldo.doorblog.jp/archives/39653250.html
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I’m a man and I change my favorites too, maybe not every 6 months, but one year or two. And I have one or two favorites per group, I’d hardly could name my favorite Idol of all. Normally they disappear or change so much that I can’t like them anymore, how could I.
>>153 “I, too, am seriously in love with my oshi, but when one of her wota switches to another idol, it feels like I’ve just lost a rival.”
Rival in what? The more fans your favorite has the better for her, and you would like the best for her. I don’t know if you can call it “love” if it’s not like that.
I believe it’s rival for #1 fan i.e. the one that buys the most goods, attends the most concerts, shows full support etc.
Yeah…japanese are like that: “I lost my rival” = “I lost the person who is the reason to work hard to be the best” … “riva”l in the good way, the person you need to get inspired to improve every day. So… is kind of sad fot them lost a rival.
Reading things like this, I am occasionally startled by how fickle fans can be.
>>96
One per H!P group. I’m good for a while.
Lmao Henkka, bastards they are
56: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:35:32.56 0.net
It’s way weirder to only be a fan of one specific idol group when there’s such an abundance of interesting idols out there nowadays.
Thats how i feel, I love H!P and will never completly leave or oshihen to another group but i still watch others idol groups…. You dont know what your missing if you never even look… Babymetal and Momoclo are so badass right about now, they put on shows that rival the quality of Morning Musume
You know Henkka, that 2 friends of yours are real bastards cos you’re an angel and standing next to you, obviously the 2 of them will look like such douchebags lol
Tried checking out other idols aside from H!P’s (well I just mainly dig MM and a bit of C-ute) but for some reason, I couldn’t get myself to like AKB (too cutesy and exploited), Momoclo (Maachan’s ADHD is enough for me) and Babymetal (coz I feel like a pedo watching those quasi-babies possessed by Ozzy and fuck that, but I liked one or two of their songs for I’m also a metalhead.)
Perhaps I’m all merely for quality music and semi-decent stuff.
Anyway, anyone ever noticed that most of MM female wotas are 60% on Sayu’s level of beauty. Damn.
I always find it strange when people use the word “pedo” in reference to BabyMetal, since, you know, those girls aren’t being sexualized. But maybe I’m just thinking too logically about it.
I’m a female wota and it sucks seeing pretty much 90% of my wota friends lose interest in H!P :<… But nevertheless, I still keep tabs on all the idol groups (3d and 2d) since I'm a wota 100% in and out. I guess I'm constantly fascinated by all the new faces and personalities that show up, regardless of age xD
Being a lesbian, I often wonder what it’d be like if I was straight. But I’ve been an fan for over two years now and don’t see an end.
I think it helps to like lots of girls and have other hobbies. (It’s boring to only do one thing after all) I will stick by Maasa as my favorite but I have one or two faves for every group I follow.
The only non-H!P/UFP group I like is Tokyo Girls’ Style, but I’m not a big fan though I love their music immensely. I can barely even put names to faces.
have been a female wota for 12 years and learnt to accept the fact that nothing lasts, especially fandom
im a female fan and had identity crisis due to exposure to H!P. damn, they are cute and beautiful. who wouldn’t fall in love with these girls or even just one of them? but i’m over it now (identity crisis?) and i still love them. though i would surely gush out if i came into contact with these idols…
I’m happy to see a comment like #17’s!! I especially relate the puppy/kitten analogy–that line is just too accurate. The only difference is I started out admiring the Platinum Era girls since they were older than me, but now I just feel happy watching the new generations improve and mature.
‘Tis better to have wota friends and lost them than never to have them be wota at all.
I lost some wota friends to other groups as well. And some where simply moving on to other fandoms. But I still try to get other friends of mine into the fandom. Right now I think you just need to carefully select them and show them how to not lose interest when your farvorite graduates and how there are lots of different aspects and joys of the fandom.
I think people that swear to god they’ll love an idol forever and then switch to another idol in a blink of an eye, are not true fans. I enjoy hanging out with my male and female friends, in the past we’re at college so it was easier to meet now we’re all adults near 30 with jobs and stuff so is harder to keep the fabdom, still I enjoy our discussions!
i am a female wota who had 2 close wota friends ( one male and one female) and i must say one of my fondest memory is when we traveled together to see momusu live in paris.
Now they moved on and i feel so lonely ;_;
I tried telling a very close friend of mine about Morning Musume once. She looked at me like a complete pervert and I’ve never spoken about it to anyone else again.
I’ve been a fan for like 10 years……………..
I would like to be friends with OP.
I had a friend that stopped being a Morning Musume wota immediately after EriJunLin graduation. He would try to convince me that the group was going to fail and he had “given up” on them. I would just say I’m going to support the group no matter what and I’m not afraid of new members and personalities entering. We didn’t talk for 2 years after that conversation until I saw him at a party and he took my iPod and saw that One Two Three was on it. He started belittling the group and me for “still listening to them”. I told him it’s ok if he wasn’t a fan anymore that was his choice and it was my choice to stay a fan. We have not talked since. It was just so crazy how angry he would get when he found out people liked the new generations.
Your friend sounds like a fucking idiot.
Yes he was. Glad I don’t see him anymore.
platinium era, best era. proof me wrong
A true female wota would wear a T-shirt instead of her casual clothing in the concert.
Is a t-shirt not casual?
I want female wota friends so badly (speaking as a female wota), but I’m so bad at making friends lol. I always go to the events thinking THIS WILL BE THE DAY I WILL TALK TO ONE OF THE OTHER GIRLS STANDING AROUND (there are so many honestly like a good third of the people are girls) but I always chicken out and try and disappear into the wall (which doesn’t work cause I’m white).
It’s lonely to be a solitary fan, though. I’m not like some of the other girls in the thread who’d rather go by themselves XD
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>be grill
> be white
check you privileges!
Who are you quoting?
What are they qouting?
First of all this is so sexist it hurts.
Second, only in Japan they think you have to be in love with the idol to support him/her. In western that makes no sense at all. I mean I have never ever fall in love with any performer and still support and love the music/personality/performances of many, both male and female artists.
Plus saying that girls change their mind, well dont we all?
This is why I dont really know if I should love or hate Japan. As a girl I wouldnt live there because of their mentality towards women.
And I must say when I discovered H!P I though it was all made for girl fans, I mean the cute, the pink and the lyrics… Then I was kind of disgusted by the sad reality of disgusting thoughts (the masturbation topic was just AWFUL) from men, specially old men…
Anyway still suporting H!P forever!
“Then I was kind of disgusted by the sad reality of disgusting thoughts (the masturbation topic was just AWFUL) from men, specially old men…”
Pretty sure Japanese middle-aged housewives rub their vajayjay’s at pictures of Johnny’s boys.
You apply the standards of your own culture (such as common sense in your country) to understand the different culture. Reading the partial translations of the threads about a niche business like J-idols in 2ch which is considered to be very underground and peculiar, and you talk about the mentality of Japanese people as a whole… It’s like someone who’s never been in other countries talking about the mentality of American people and their culture when he only knows about America through Hollywood movies and the knowledge on the net.
Actually there are several studies and documentaries that show the sexist reality of Japan. It is not only because of this topic.
So what you’re saying is that it’s just someone else’s lines, not your actual experience in Japan, and you just believe in what you call studies and documentaries blindly. You don’t speak Japanese nor do you understand what they say. And you’re still saying you understand Japanese mentality, huh? You can enjoy watching idol clips and talking about how stupid 2ch threads are. But please don’t comment knowingly on something you actually don’t know about, like Japanese mentality toward women, in a biased attitude.
The world would be a better place if more people fapped a little more and whined a little less.
Wise words, Anon
We’ve got to give a little love, fap a little more, make this world a little better?
Sure. It is completely healthy and awesome. Just not to pictures of underage girls and that could be your daughter :)
grill wotas arre the worst.
golden era was best MM era! colorful era is kil!! 2channel told me so.
I’m a girl. I don’t look like a man. I”ve been a morning musume fan for 6 years.
Once I settled on my oshii it only changed when she graduated and now I have a new one it wont change until she graduates.
I would go to their concerts if I could afford it.
While I like other groups as well, Morning Musume has remained my favourite over the years. They were the first idol group I ever liked.
virtual high five girl!
I’ve been momusu fans since 6/7 years ago amd still love them now (eventhough I don’t religiously search and download their varshow appearances anymore). I’m glad that I have fellow fangirl who introduced me to momusu in general and we pretty much still spaz and liked the same groups over the years (unintentionally-from momusu-°c-ute-akb-nogi and now j=j)
I can only listen to S/mileage while touching myself.
These hoes (female wotas) aint loyal
>fugging hos
and dats why i only listen moslem somalian rap music. idoru music is muh secret sin
Reading those 2chan comments just shows how mainstream idols are to them in Japan, its funny how fickle they are and what they take for granted there compared to what we have to deal with in the western hemisphere. I could never leave my fandom for H!P (and H!P isn’t the only group I like). The reasons why those 2chan users are so fickle, because idols are so common in Japan they lack the passion compared to us westerners. Its pitiful.
I’m a female fan and have been in the Momusu fandom for four years. Not very long, but I can’t see myself leaving the fandom for a long while. I think I do understand why some of the female wota seem fickle though. As Momusu evolves, younger girls come in and it might make the female wota feel old (which no woman really likes feeling, at least for some). They might not feel the ‘parental’ or ‘little sister’ love that some of the other wota feel. I always hear how the Platinum Era appealed to female wota and maybe a lot of them left when their favorites from that era left, maybe they left for other reasons. I’m just trying to put myself in their shoes.
129: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 12:02:51.02 0.net
Many of my acquaintances are so stingy when it comes to H!P but spend crazy amounts of money at Johnny’s concerts. On the other hand, the girls that do prefer H!P all look like they’re suffering from a gender identity disorder.
Female wota might also feel conflicted about being such big fans of other girls (not to mention younger girls), it’s probably more acceptable for them to be Johnny’s fans (even if the boys are younger). Though, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.
66: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/07/02(水) 11:41:47.28 0.net
I’m one of those girl wota who genuinely likes H!P for the songs and performances. I second there being a big difference in the degrees of commitment when I’m looking at all the fashion wota girls on Twitter.
1. 名無しプロジェクト 2014年07月02日 15:26 ID:PpNoFUJd0
I’m a female wota who came to like H!P purely because of their songs and performances. I don’t go to any events and I don’t make friends with other wota.
Aside from the not making friends with other wota, this reminds me of the American (and possibly other) H!P fanbase; which is primarily female. I think fans here appreciate the music and performances just as much as the girls themselves. And, with that mentality, it doesn’t matter if their favorites leave, because they care so much for the group as a whole to just like someone else. Maybe a lot of the female wota there, who are still in the fandom, feel the same too? Again, I’m just trying to put myself in their shoes lol
In a way I agree to that. I have my favorite but I don’t necessarily follow them when they graduate. It’s like if they leave I just look for a new oshi to follow because I like to follow the group more than just this one person
I’ve introduced some friends at work to Hello Project and MM by showing them Mizuki Fukumura’s PB. Ever since then, our working relationship’s been improving cos we’d spend the lunch hours after our meals discussing what would be the best positions to fuck Mizuki and shared with each other what we each longed to do to her during sexual intercourse. HP is awesome for some red blooded male bonding.
After that, we’d adjourn somewhere private where we’ll fap to her pictures
I’m a girl and all I can say is:
HP (Buono!) is the first idol group I became a fan of . It’s been 6 years since I started following them, and I don’t believe that I can switch idol groups. It’s true that I like some akb songs and other idol songs but HP has always been (and will always be) my #1!