1: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:12:16.20 0
To list some past oshi members of mine for example… Ichii, Kamei, Risako, Maimi, Yuukarin, Kanatomo, etc etc.
2: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:12:56.35 0
Me, too. When she’s supported by so many, I lose interest.
3: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:12:57.24 0
All of a sudden there’s so many Michishige wota, I can’t go on supporting her anymore.
8: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:16:39.23 0
This must be common in guys with a strong desire to monopolize.
10: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:17:17.17 0
The way you say it, it doesn’t feel like they were ever your “oshi members” to begin with. It just sounds like curiosity to me. Sort of like people who have never truly loved anyone, you’ve never truly oshi’ed anyone.
24: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:22:07.36 0
>>10
Maybe so. But for me, becoming an oshi of someone and falling in love with someone are two completely different feelings. I’m not their oshi because I love them, I’m their oshi because I want to cheer them on.
11: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:17:18.09 0
You like the fact that they’re the underdogs. Nothing weird about it.
13: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:17:39.71 0
I definitely get the feeling of wanting to cheer on members who aren’t popular.
18: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:20:34.94 0
When Sayu started having all those solo TV appearances, she suddenly felt so distant to me I almost quit being a wota.
19: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:20:40.35 0
It does feel like they become more distant from you.
20: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:21:11.43 0
They’ve been distant from you to begin with. (laughs)
25: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:22:08.83 0
As their popularity rises, it feels like it’s okay to leave supporting them to others. I stopped following °C-ute because of this.
95: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:49:54.92 0
>>25
Exactly the same for me. (laughs)
26: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:22:25.07 0
You see people like that every once in a while, people who just want to do something outside of the norm… “yeah, I’m cool for being kinda different and supporting a member who’s not popular, aren’t I?” That kind of thing.
27: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:23:16.69 0
I’m glad to have become an Ikuta wota. (laughs)
28: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:23:33.37 0
When their popularity goes up, they get more fans and that makes me feel like they probably don’t even bother reading the comments left on their blog anymore.
32: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:24:20.52 0
It’s the beginning and end of their careers that’s the most fun time for a fan.
40: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:27:39.80 0
I fell in love with a national idol to start with so I never had this problem.
47: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:30:38.30 0
I honestly feel happy if the idol I like gets more popular…
48: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:32:07.52 0
I have a tendency of rooting for the underdog, too. When I was deciding who to make my oshi out of Tamura, Nakanishi or Wada, Wada was the first one I gave up on. She already has so many wota so she wasn’t really a candidate.
49: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:32:21.73 0
I think I get what you mean. When they get popular, it feels lonely in a way.
52: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:33:17.59 0
The process of making someone popular is fun but when she does reach that popularity, that’s when my interest starts to fade.
66: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:37:33.93 0
Rather than her being popular and standing in the spotlight, it’s her journey to that position that’s more fascinating for me.
67: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:37:59.03 0
There used to be a lot of wota who liked watching their idols steadily getting more and more popular and talented and sharing that enjoyment with other fans. But now there’s a lot of wota who’d rather have them remain underground idols forever just so they can keep them to themselves…
68: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:38:00.00 0
Why do you guys care what other people think? It doesn’t matter if they’re popular or not, or what other people are saying about them. People like that are going to have a hard time in other areas of life, too…
71: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:39:05.41 0
I’d had my eye on Aarii even since she joined the Eggs, but since the formation of J=J and everyone on here going all “Aarii’s so beautiful!“, I’ve lost interest. Well, not that I was really all that big of an oshi of hers to begin with.
73: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:40:23.13 0
Reading this board makes it difficult to be an oshi of any of the popular members, so I try not to do so too much.
75: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:40:41.86 0
>>1
Wota like you are the most annoying type there is.
77: VIPからきますた ◆XnehBsFa2U 2013/11/20(水) 01:40:50.77 0
Disgusting wota: “(name)-chan has grown so distant from me…”
LOL.
78: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:40:58.46 0
You’re exactly like those teenagers going through puberty who say stuff like “I liked this band better when they were still indies…“
79: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:41:43.44 0
Seeing Airi-chan in close proximity made me realize “yeah, this girl will have no shortage of fans even if I’m not one of them.” To this day I still can’t oshi her. (laughs)
86: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:44:34.30 0
>>79
I’ve been a an Airi oshi for ages because I love her cuteness and personality so much. I don’t even care about whether she’s popular or not.
80: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:41:45.95 0
I tend to start losing interest, too, but I think it’s because we’re trying unnecessarily to be an oshi of a single member when in reality we’re oshi of the whole group instead.
84: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:43:54.68 0
Only a fool would let others’ reactions influence one’s own opinions.
89: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:46:15.29 0
I’ve been a Hirano Aya oshi since she was in Springs and I still haven’t abandoned her.
93: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:48:50.37 0
>>89
If she ever needed all the fans she can have, it’s now. (laughs)
96: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:51:13.75 0
I haven’t quit being her fan but I’ve found more girls I like, leading me to having more oshi.
100: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:53:11.10 0
I agree and yet, having said that, I don’t want to be a fan of some total underground idols with no hopes of ever getting popular either.
105: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:54:36.05 0
You’re a DD, through and through. I think you’d have a better time just being a light fan of a wide variety of members.
108: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:57:48.47 0
You just want to be able to say “I’ve known her since she made it big!“
112: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 01:59:49.69 0
>>108
There’s that, but it’s also the fact that I don’t like betting on the winning horse. I have a pretty rebellious personality…
115: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:04:51.66 0
>>112
So for you it’s not “I’m a fan of (name) because I like (this) and (that) about her“, but “I don’t like betting on the winning horse“, or “I’m different from everyone else” — all just different ways of saying you’re cheering her on for your own status.
120: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:07:23.13 0
>>115
Of course I’ll support someone just to enjoy myself. That’s the most important thing for me.
124: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:09:10.49 0
>>120
I’m not complaining. If you’re spending money on my oshi, there’s nothing wrong with that. Besides, there’s a good chance you’ll never become one of those asshole wota either.
136: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:21:16.13 0
Weird. For me a wota can’t really get much more disgusting than that.
114: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:03:17.49 0
I had absolutely no interest in Musume during their Golden Era so I definitely get what you mean. If Musume was a group as popular as AKB right now and you were able to see their faces anywhere, I doubt they would’ve caught my interest.
116: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:05:35.14 0
I’ve been a Sayu wota for ten years so I’ve experienced all of it — the era when no one knew her, the era when she was kinda getting recognized, and the era when she was popular. For me there’s no doubt that it’s much more fun being a wota of someone who’s popular.
118: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:06:10.10 0
>>116
Yep.
125: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:10:14.12 0
It really does just feel like a waste of time.
126: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:10:31.33 0
>>1
I definitely get that. It’s so fun being the fan of someone when the balance of supply and demand is just right. And even though it’s just a matter of time until that delicate balance collapses, every once in a while you’ll have times when it can go on for quite a while so you just can’t stop.
137: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:23:05.72 0
When you’re a longtime wota, your oshi will treat you just a little bit different than everyone else. I admit, even I have a little bit of that kind of completely good-for-nothing superiority complex. (laughs)
141: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:31:30.61 0
>>1
You can still make it. Get to a hospital.
147: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 08:07:27.13 0
It’s a hobby. Don’t think about it too much.
150: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 10:51:27.15 0
While I try avoid doing so, I have a tendency of becoming a fan of members who just seem like they’ll never get popular. And yet, as I keep supporting them, I do start to wish they’d get that popularity.
129: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:13:42.40 0
It’s the same thing with cars and women: once you have it, you’ll eventually get bored of it.
130: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/11/20(水) 02:15:27.41 0
And you have neither. (laughs)
Henkka: Pick the right member and you’ll never have to worry about this. Right, Mittsi oshi?
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This is a really interesting thread somehow! Interesting to see how 2ch wota decide on their oshi, at least. >>48 is especially interesting. I never “chose” mine (Aika) (so yes I can vouch for your post at the end haha). It’s just something that happened naturally. If I could choose I might’ve chosen someone who didn’t get picked on so much by other fans hahaha. Even now that my oshi graduated I still can’t just “choose” another oshi. More like, there’s new girls that came in where I thought “I really like her, she’s my favourite in the group now that my oshi is gone.”
For me, my oshi is my oshi no matter how popular or unpopular she is. Even if she caused a scandal the likes of Kago’s or Yaguchi’s, I feel like I couldn’t stop liking and supporting her — just be disappointed in her. That kind of thing would hurt, but to “stop” being her oshi isn’t something I know how to do.
I agree. I didn’t choose my oshi, my oshi chose me lol
Hahaha. Yes, exactly!
Oh god, those Eggs were awesome, but Juice=Juice is soooo mainstream. Melon Kinen-bi was the best idol group of all time, but you probably never heard of them… *puts on hipster glasses*
*steals your hipster glasses and puts them on*
EVERYbody knows Melon Kinenbi… Sheki Dol is the only cool group.
This message was sent from my typewriter.
*steals the glasses*
Of course you mean Sheki Dol back when it was just a duo, right?
26,75, and 78 have said exactly what I was thinking.
And here I thought that only foreign fans are like this, nothing but a bunch of hipster wotas .
If you actually knew the girl you’re “supporting”, you would never oshihen based on something so superficial as her popularity.
Henkka, your comment hit right home lol
I was a Mitsui oshi for years since she entered the group, and let me say, it sucks to be a fan of someone who is so helplessly unpopular and gets so many criticism from other people. Not that this ever stopped me from being her fan, but it does diminish the fun of it. It’s hard seeing your oshi being hated by so many people.
But I really don’t understand people who stop being a fan of someone just because the idol got popular. For me it seems they don’t really like the idol for who they are, but just for the status.
It’s weird, I thought about this a few days ago. I was a Fuku-chan fan from the beginning (a little before she joined MM) and I KNEW she was amazing. I wanted people to see that. Riho got all the spotlight (nothing against her), so I kept supporting Fuku-chan and she improved so much. Yet I don’t like her as much as I used to. It’s weird, but >>25 described it well.
“As their popularity rises, it feels like it’s okay to leave supporting them to others.”
I respect Fuku-chan to no end and I still love her, but the urge to support her is somehow gone. And I feel bad about it :/
(Btw, I’m a Aika oshi, too |D )
This is I think not such a rare trait for all kinds of things. I know I’ve had this sort of feeling before. “Well, a lot of people know THING X now and I don’t have to be That Guy talking it up”, and it goes from there. Of course it is just one factor.
The take away message: The Japanese don’t have a equivalent to the word “hipster”.
#26
“yeah, I’m cool for being kinda different and supporting a member who’s not popular, aren’t I?”
H!O in a nutshell.
I liked Ichii and Kamei too and they both have a disappointing fact in common: leaving right after they became popular.
#78 is spot on xD usually i’m like this but with Sayu and idols and to a certain degree all the japaanese stuff that i like xD i think they are just so awesome that they should get more and more popular =P
i still dont understand the cooncept of an oshi.
but i love kamei. and still even after she graduated
so im a kamei oshi ?
No, Kamei is your oshi.
No, that’s not how it is correctly.
Let’s say that you support Momochi, you say you “oshi” (push; support) for her. It’s a verb. “I will always ‘oshi’ for Momochi!”
People introduce themselves like “I’m a Momochi-oshi”.
But when they mention her as a favourite, it’s “Momochi is my oshimen” (from “oshi” and “member”, the “member” you “oshi” for).
I don’t know why so many English-speaking idol fans get it wrong.
I cant imagine ever leaving Kamei sama, she has been my Momusu Kami oshi since i truly discovered the group and really got to know all the members… She wasn’t the first member i noticed cause i discovered Morning Musume through some random movie that had Yaguchi in it then googled her and ended up watching all the Ayaka English lessons on youtube lol… But after i saw a Hello!Morning episode it was love at first sight and i knew that Kamei was the one for me
I guess im a DD as well cause i like the other members and tend to have numerous oshi’s even from different groups (ie Harugon & Kanakooooooooooo lol) so my other oshi’s tend to change but i dont stop liking them when they get popular, if anything it makes me happier that the member I support is achieving a bigger fanbase cause that means more appearances and more chances to watch them
I hope I will continue to have Zukki as my oshi even when she blows peeps’ minds in a couple years.
If that doesn’t happen I still love you, Zuks.
#86 I agree! Been an Airi wota for years now ^^
Summary:
1. You support an underdog, because you think “She doesn’t really have many fans, so my support matter more in her case…!”.
2. You support an underdog, because you want to show that you’re different/cool, that you don’t like those mainstream idols but someone who isn’t known. Because you think it’ll make you more interesting.
3. You support an underdog, because you know that kind of loneliness she might have: At the concert, she looks in the crowd and doesn’t see many glowsticks in her color. Then you’re there, being all like “Hey, look here! I support you! You’re not alone!”
4. Because you truly adore her, no matter if she’s popular or not.
#4 is the correct answer
I’m DD and love/support them all with all of my strength…that’s what being a fan means to me. Hence I am always a little turned-off when all this “oshi” talk gets thrown around…but I understand that each person will be a fan in their own way, that’s their own right.
Honestly, I feel like you should be cheering your hardest for the girls regardless of their perceived popularity. If your oshi becomes popular, shouldn’t you be even happier for her? That’s at least what I think.
The only time I “drop” support for a girl is when she does something stupid that invalidates her “idol” tag, such as a sordid scandal where it’s clear that she’s no longer striving to live up to the ideals of what an idol should be: a role model being the most important point.
Case in point: Kago AI. Although my support for her has been revitalized recently with her impending comeback, the damage has already been done. She’ll never again be truly an idol to be after the stupid mistakes she made in the past, yet on the other hand I believe that she deserves another chance despite her shortcomings. She’s got a lot of courage to be attempting a comeback at all, so we’ll see where this gets her.
Idols that have graduated is a grey area for me. I’ll admit that my undying support for Takahashi Ai faltered for a dark moment when I read her engagement announcement. Yet I found that, even though her choice of spouse is a questionable one regarding his past, I could never forsake someone that I supported so wholeheartedly. She neither betrayed herself nor her fans…so there’s no reason to deny that she’s still an idol in terms of ideal and behavior.
On the other hand, so-called “idols” like Sashihara and Minegishi from AKB have had their “idol” tags revoked, in my opinion. Scandals of that caliber are simply unexceptable considering the standards that idols are held to. If they wanted to have normal relationships, then they wouldn’t have become full-time idols in the first place. They knew fully well what they were getting themselves into, what standards of conduct they were held to, and still betrayed everyone supporting them up to this point: not just the fans, but their handlers/managers/producers/etc.
But I digress. My point through all of this is that everyone has different individual standards for their idols that may or may not overlap the “universal code of conduct” that most idols are held to. Whether they live up to expectations or not, one should give their all to support these flowers while they are blooming. Beauty is ephemeral and fame is fleeting, especially for idols. Thus, give your all to support whom you want to support, while you still can.
(sorry for the wall of text, comrades)
I even once dreamt of sayashi slapping me.
It was the best dream ever.
I can believe that. If I think back to her mischievous expression in the Ai no Joke PV while she pretend-slaps Fukumura… Yes, I can definitively see what you mean.
her face is always mischievous
T That’s what makes it so good after all.
Mittsi oshi for teh win!!! Woo HOO!
sheesh. when did idoling become a hipster/indie thing???
Almost all of my top favorite members are/were underdogs, but I didn’t even know they were underdogs at the beginning.
I have recently started to really like Riho. She was at the bottom of my list for H!P before, but now I find her very cute and dorky. lol She’s not my favorite or anything, but watching their performances has become much more enjoyable. So I can definitely understand how someone might choose to support a popular member, just because of how fun it is.
Still….it’s Zukki for me, and I wouldn’t change that even if I could. I’ve become quite fast at finding her in the abyss of girls even in H!P concerts with all the girls on stage. lol
My oshi gets too mainstream, my cousin or my friend shall steal that oshimen and makes my life miserable as hell