1: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 16:39:01.42 0
“Atarashii kanojo no koto watashi no you ni aisanaide”
(“Don’t love your new girlfriend the way you loved me“)
1) Don’t love her the way you loved me because our relationship ended in a break-up.
2) Don’t love her as much as you loved me.
Which?
4: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 16:54:29.49 0
I think it’s 2. To this woman, this guy was her “seishun no hikari” (“light of youth”) — she needs to believe that there could be no substitute to the time she spent with him. She’d hate it if the guy just went, “whatever, that’s how I treat all my girlfriends.” Though unfortunately, it does feel like that is how he sees her.
17: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:06:47.37 0
I always believed it was 1. This song is about the girl saying goodbye to her boyfriend, following the night she discovered this guy cheating on her and everything falling apart.
9: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:01:22.49 0
Option 1 of course.
That night when everything broke apart
I cried with all my heart… Good bye
Exhausted by love,
I’ll lock up this room and return the key to you
5: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 16:54:57.63 0
I always thought it was 2. Option 1 never even crossed my mind.
8: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:00:44.73 0
I just thought it to mean her saying: “I want me to always remain someone special in your heart.” So it’s neither 1 or 2. Though I guess if I had to be pick one, 2 would be closer.
12: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:03:00.60 0
It’s not that the girl was dumped by this guy. She herself wanted to end it.
16: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:06:33.93 0
You can tear up the memo and throw it away
But please read it all the way to the end
Now, after having experiencing living together with someone, for the first time I realize how good this song actually is.
21: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:12:15.59 0
I never even considered anything apart from option 2. I’ve felt like that myself, too — though I think that’s a feeling which might not make sense to one of the sexes.
23: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:14:12.64 0
Option 1 means the woman has completely gotten over the break-up, whereas option 2 means the woman is still hopelessly attached to him. If you listen to the song itself, it definitely doesn’t sound like she’s over him at all — if anything, she’s still unable to forget about him. Right?
26: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:15:36.53 0
Damn. Nothing but option 2 had ever even occurred to me, but 1 definitely seems plausible, too.
28: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:16:47.71 0
This girl saying “goodbye” to her boyfriend like a proper adult, even going so far as to worry about her new girlfriend — Teranya is too girly and clingy to be able to write a song like that. It’s all “me me me” and “love me love me love me.“
32: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:19:57.16 0
>>28
Maybe she just likes the image of herself worrying about the new girlfriend.
29: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:19:01.24 0
For me, I always thought it was option 1. “Don’t be as crude with your new love as you were with me. It was your half-hearted way of loving that caused us to break up, so cherish your new girlfriend more. Don’t take her for granted. Love her kindly.” That’s the sort of kind-hearted protagonist the woman in the lyrics is for me.
30: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:19:36.06 0
1 is like the male point-of-view whereas 2 is the female point-of-view. I remember someone once saying how — when a break-up happens — the woman would prefer herself to be the last girlfriend the guy ever has.
49: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:32:46.47 0
Go back and read the entire lyrics 10 times.
It’s option 2.
34: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:23:37.76 0
The contents of the memo are something that is likely to make him want to tear it up and throw it away. In other words, it’s just her lecturing him in it. Thus, option 1.
39: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:26:06.04 0
>>34
That’s one way of looking at it. I personally thought the “it’s okay to tear up the memo and throw it away” line to mean “it’s okay for you to forget about me.“
35: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:24:20.93 0
Yes, it’s very soppy and stuff, but I don’t think it’s option 2.
It’s much more likely to be option 1 in all its gaudiness.
38: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:25:33.47 0
Option 2 always seemed to be like the obvious choice. I went back and re-read the lyrics. “I’ve never been held that affectionately before” — it sounds like she’s saying she doesn’t want him to do the same thing to his new girlfriend. So yeah, I still think it’s option 2.
40: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:27:14.36 0
It’s option 2. All the rest of the lyrics are full of lingering affection for him — why would she suddenly start showing any concern for his new girlfriend?
41: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:27:21.95 0
It’s both. She’s saying, “make her happy and don’t break up with her like you did with me,” but she also doesn’t want him to love his new girlfriend more than he loved her.
133: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:05:30.51 0
>>41 is the correct answer.
141: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:09:01.69 0
>>41
That’s deep. As expected of Tsunku.
43: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:28:24.27 0
“Please read my memo” — she’s not yet at the mental stage where she could be composed enough to do something like worrying about him or his new girlfriend. Thus, option 2.
60: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:37:58.86 0
His new girlfriend must remind her of the kind of girl she herself used to be. And it’s through this guy that this new girl will come to know love and all the painful things that come with it. She must feel conflicted about it — on the one hand she’s concerned for her, but on the other hand she bitterly wonders “what does she have that I don’t?“
56: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:35:37.50 0
To think the song was actually this deep…
62: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:39:32.98 0
The problem was in how he loved her. That’s why she chose to say goodbye to him, while at the same time warning him not to love this new girl (who he cheated on her with) without repeating the same mistake. Hence, option 1.
65: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:41:07.16 0
They were living together when he cheated on her. She loved him and she didn’t want to break up with him, but she had no other choice but to do so anyway. Considering how these are the circumstances, I don’t think she’d be able to feel like as in option 1.
67: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:42:01.96 0
You need to realize that she’s just pretending to be tougher than she actually is when she says that.
61: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:39:11.22 0
Isn’t it option 1?
I like to think this love allowed the girl to mature a little as a person.
74: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:46:18.02 0
Alright. Looks like we have no option but to take a vote on this. Write down your gender, age, and what you think, and reply to this post.
77: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:47:39.45 0
>>74
26, female. Option 2.
You guys really just don’t understand how women think.
85: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:51:34.40 0
I’m guessing most women would say option 2. (20yo female here.)
96: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:56:09.47 0
I’m a guy and I think it’s option 2.
87: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:53:13.30 0
Sorry, but I’m a 28yo female and I always thought it was option 1.
115: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:13:17.19 0
>>74
You make it sound like you can solve complicated love matters through voting.
79: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:48:35.44 0
And why does he have to tear up the memo before disposing of it anyway?
81: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:50:05.96 0
I don’t think it’s so much that he has to literally tear it up. It’s more of just a way for her to express how he can just casually throw it away once he’s done reading it.
84: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:51:32.52 0
>>81
I see.
91: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:54:10.07 0
I think it’s more that she’s implying, “I know what you’re like — you’re just going to tear it up and throw it away.“
75: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:46:38.57 0
In this thread: guys who tear up the memo just because they’re told “it’s okay to tear it up” and ending up with their girlfriends getting angry at them.
105: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:01:39.94 0
“You can tear up and throw away the memo. (But don’t.) (I know you will though.) (But if you really do it’s going to hurt me. So I’m going to take preventative measures.) (Not that I think it will stop you.) (But please don’t.) (But I know you will anyway.)“
108: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:03:26.71 0
>>105
Aaargh! (laughs)
109: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:03:31.82 0
>>105
This is so heartrending.
99: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:59:14.35 0
The “me” in this song is actually a guy and his partner swings both ways. They broke up because his boyfriend found a new — female — lover.
101: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:00:22.68 0
>>99
Now there’s a new idea.
106: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:02:05.29 0
Men and women often have different levels of commitment in their relationships. For example: say there’s a girl who was dating a guy who was completely unforgettable to her. The girl might not necessarily be all that special to that same guy. If we go by this mindset, option 2 would be out of character. “An adult like you taking advantage of a child like me and making me misunderstand the type of relationship we had. What a dishonest man you are.“
119: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:19:33.21 0
This has to be option 2. What she’s written in the memo would read like something that fits option 1, but in her heart she’s thinking option 2. But, lucky for her, men are unable to read women’s innermost feelings, so her pride will stay intact.
120: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:22:15.91 0
This girl loved him this much, and yet he went and cheated on her?
123: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:27:35.24 0
The thought of him having cheated on her had never even occurred to me before I saw people saying that in this thread. I always took it to mean the next girlfriend he finds — whenever that may be.
125: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:43:27.32 0
But really: what a great song.
127: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:47:20.01 0
Rather than meaning option 2 exactly, I think it’s more along the lines of “allow our love to have been something special and unique.“
128: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 18:52:29.53 0
On the outside she tries to appear strong (option 1), but on the inside she’s anything but (option 2).
157: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:19:11.59 0
But if it’s just option 2, she’s only the average annoying woman. But add the pretension of toughness of option 1 and she becomes lovable.
132: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:05:10.89 0
How the hell does one go from this to “papapa da pyon~“?
179: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:53:09.38 0
I’m a female in my teens. Option 2. I always thought when she talks about seeing “that expression” on his face, it was because this girl really loved this guy, and yet he took advantage of her love and figured he could get away with anything and not face the consequences — and that’s when she dumped him and got to see “that face” of his. And besides, no one wants the person they once liked to treat their new lover in exactly the same way they treated you.
140: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:09:00.30 0
As a female, I never even considered anything apart from option 2. Sure, you can go on and date some new girl — just don’t love her as much as you loved me. Like, “make it only a lukewarm love with her.“
143: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:11:30.61 0
If it really is option 2, Tsunku is pretty amazing for being able to have written it.
144: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:12:06.48 0
Is Teranya actually a girl?
145: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:12:32.89 0
I’ve fallen in love with Tsunku all over again.
150: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:15:37.70 0
I just love the outlook on life in songs like this and Yume Oibito. Tsunku is pretty much the only male able to write lyrics like that.
156: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 19:18:59.07 0
Good luck trying to find even a female who’d be able to write lyrics like this.
188: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 20:07:01.15 0
“Atarashii kanojo no koto watashi no you ni aisanaide.”
This might be my favorite lyric of any H!P song ever released.
Henkka: Let’s settle this once and for all.
My personal opinion for what it’s worth: while there were good arguments for both sides in the thread, none of them really had an effect on my opinion. For me, ever since I first had a good look at the lyrics, I’d always been a firm believer in option 2. But one thing that did surprise me when I saw people talking about it in the thread: option 2 is apparently a girl thing! That’s what they claim! What the hell? Secretly hoping that your past loves like their new partners just a tiny bit less than they liked you — isn’t that like an unspoken rule for all healthy adults and relationships?!
Source: http://helloprocanvas.ldblog.jp/archives/48703224.html
>Henkka
The people in the thread looked to you like they thought option 2 was a female-specific way of feeling?
They were talking about it based on the premise that the “watashi = I” in the lyrics is a woman. That’s only because of the way of speaking in the lyrics. Like, the “nee”, “wa” and “de shou” at the end of the sentences, or an expeassion like “dakareta = be hugged (into someone’s chest)”. These are the words used only (or mostly) by women in Japanese. And if the person in the lyrics was a man he would have used “ore” or “boku”, instead of “watashi” in a love song like this.
In short, it’s obvious that the speaker in the lyrics is a woman, unless the person is a gay (Gay people use women language in Japan). Plus, this song is made for a female idol group, you know. So, I think it’s only natural that the people in the thread thought this was a song about women’s feelings, whether it’s option 1 or 2.
I’m not confused about the protagonist’s gender. You may have misunderstood the premise of the thread, or just my ending comment. (Which is alright, mistakes happen.) The question isn’t in regards to the protagonist’s gender — pretty much everyone is in agreement that, regardless of anything said in the thread, the protagonist in the lyrics is a female. When I said option 2 was a “girl thing,” I said it after seeing a number of self-professed males in the thread leaning towards option 1, and a number of self-professed females leaning towards option 2.
Yea, I’m talking about your ending comment. You said “But one thing that did surprise me when I saw people talking about it in the thread: option 2 is apparently a girl thing! That’s what they claim! What the hell?”
What made you think so?
I think nobody in the thread saying something like option 2 (= feeling that way, in general) is a girl thing. They were talking about how the person in the lyrics felt, not about women in general, except a few comments like 77.
Sorry, it’s not that I’m nitpiking or anything. I was just wondering why you felt like “what the hell?”
No worries, I get the feeling you’re not a troll or anything. You just genuinely didn’t see where I was getting at with my comment. Put simply, what I meant with the “girl thing” was that, as some people in the thread noticed, the majority of women who had their say in the matter seemed to be leaning towards option 2.
Just to clarify, my ending comment was (as they often are) very tongue-in-cheek — the “what the hell?!” wasn’t genuine, and I obviously don’t think it’s very good relationship practice for anyone to wish bad things upon your ex-lovers. (I’m not a fucking lunatic. Or so I like to think.)
Thanks for the explanation. Tongue-in-cheek is ok. I like your style. It makes the thread even funnier. I just couldn’t follow your logic which made you think like “option 2 is apparently a girl thing. That’s what they claim.” Now it makes some sense.
But, just to confuse things further, wouldn’t the song still make sense if the person who the memo was written to was also a female?
I never even considered anything but option 2 lol
I love threads like this!
I like this one best.
8: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/05/27(金) 17:00:44.73 0
I just thought it to mean her saying: “I want me to always remain someone special in your heart.” So it’s neither 1 or 2. Though I guess if I had to be pick one, 2 would be closer.
lol I always thought it was something completely different- and far more direct.
I took it as her saying to not build the new relationship the same way he did with her, as in not go to the same date spots, move at the same pace, etc.
Not meaning he shouldn’t love her as much, but just differently.
Well, as a female, I think it’s option 2. As someone who recently experienced a break-up, it would hurt for me to see my old boyfriend treating other women like he used to treat me. But, also, this is inevitable, you can’t demand something like that. After all, even your ex has the right to be happy. Also, I thinks it’s probably something like “I want this relationship to be unique from all the others for the both of us”. It makes a lot of sense. You want those memories to be special and irreplaceable. Something like that.
I agree with 132. Tsunku works in mysterious ways.
imagining I was the guy receiving the letter I’d assume that she meant option 2… and I think that’s the most important part here… the girl might have intended the letter to be ambiguous… even if she meant to say option 1 the guy wouldn’t understand it that way… know what I mean? XD
*Guy reads memo all the way to the end*
“Oh my god, I just broke up with Tsunku.”
I also always thought it would be 2, but the arguments for 1 are good, too. I like to believe it’s a mix out of both.
Whatever it was supposed to mean, this song is the greatest masterpiece out of all H!P songs.
I never ever thought of option 1! I’m amazed someone came up with this idea…
I always tought that song was about a girl giving a “good-bye” letter to her ex, who know have a new girlfriend, as she releases they won’t get back together.
And that one lyric meant “don’t love the same thing you loved about me in her, don’t go to the same places, do the same activities, same type of dates…” and
” You can tear up the memo and throw it away
But please read it all the way to the end”
meant “I don’t care what you do to the memo as long as you get to know those feeling I wan’t able to tell you face to face before”
I do think it’s a bit of both, along with what mimi and Enjinks said. “Love her better, because no one deserves the pain you put me through, but don’t love her more, because selfishly I don’t think I could handle if if I weren’t special to you at all.” She’s in a transitionary stage where she can’t hold any ill-will towards the new girlfriend, but she still wants the boyfriend to love her a little bit–eventually she’ll be okay with him throwing away the memory of her, but until then she wants him to hold onto a little piece of her.
The definitive answer is that she is pretending to mean option 1, but she secretly feels option 2.
This was interesting to read. I’m a female and I think it is option 2.
I hope you’ll translate more threads like this.
I’m going with Option 2.
I’ve never really had any much interest with such old momusu songs until maasaku sang it. The song is so beautiful and great, and a guy wrote it.
It had always been option 2 for me. Girls would love to believe that they are the most special. Not to mention to the guy she loved the most. Especially >105
Which is Asuka? The one who got bullied by Nachi and the others
As for the question. No 2
Why can’t we just ask tsunku?
I voted for option 2!! option 1 is good but the impression i get from the lyrics is a girl that ones to move on but she still has lingering feelings for him so she wants to think that at least she was as special for him as he was for her
If it’s 1, then what does the “but” mean?
“I’m leaving my memories behind, but
Don’t love your new girlfriend
In the same way you loved me”