1: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:42:33.90 0.net
But is it even possible to do that here at this point?
7: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:47:26.81 0.net
I was sure they were going to break up.
2: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:43:54.62 0.net
Yaguchi was one of the pure ones.
6: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:47:13.75 0.net
Suzuki Ami had way more momentum than them.
8: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:47:43.95 0.net
Nakazawa back then was the same age as Sayu right now.
9: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:48:17.67 0.net
I saw the PV to Furusato and thought “right, that’s it, they’re going to break up.“
15: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:50:02.32 0.net
Nacchi and co.
16: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:50:58.85 0.net
They survived thanks to Utaban.
19: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:53:28.63 0.net
Yep. It was the impact of “nee waratte.”
That really gave them some public recognition.
20: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:53:41.78 0.net
I was watching ASAYAN every week.
52: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:18:43.69 0.net
ASAYAN wasn’t really the kind of show all the idol wota would typically watch.
27: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 15:57:20.84 0.net
They got the highest ratings of any guest on Utaban.
35: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:06:16.76 i.net
The first time I heard Daite HOLD ON ME I just went “damn!“
36: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:07:02.47 0.net
They were going for the hostess route with Summer Night Town and Daite though. It’s pretty incredible that they even called themselves an “idol group” back then.
39: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:07:57.42 0.net
“Hostess route”? (laughs)
44: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:10:39.50 0.net
A lot of their initial wota dropped out when 4th gen joined.
143: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:10:53.90 0.net
It started with the 3th gen joining though. Or rather, it was the change in style that led to so many wota quitting.
68: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:28:46.81 0.net
Tanaka Yoshitake talks about Chairman Yamazaki Naoki (extract):
[…] And so one day the Chairman said “starting now, we’re going to produce female idols.“
Our company had never done anything with idols. Everyone was opposed to the idea. He started going on about something weird like how we weren’t going to produce “real” idols — just “pseudo-idols.“
So he created a group out of girls who had failed an audition, and that became known as “Morning Musume.”
The prototype of this group can be found in Puerto Rico. They had an idol group there that had a system of having the girls graduate once they turned 21, and then they’d bring in new girls to replace them.
Up until now, the way Japan did it was that if one girl quit, that was the end for the entire group. But the Chairman didn’t want to do something so risky. And just like that, the Puerto Rican style of having girls graduate and bringing in new ones became a huge success in Japan, too.
Having Tsunku produce the group was also the Chairman’s idea. […]
78: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:36:55.81 0.net
It was the beginning of the current idol boom. It’d been a long, long ice age ever since Onyanko broke up.
79: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:37:41.12 0.net
No, that was AKB.
80: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:39:16.56 0.net
If there was no H!P, there would be no AKB.
85: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:43:52.73 0.net
Rather than it being the start of an idol boom, it felt more like it started the “Morning Musume boom.” Then it cooled down once, and after that, the current idol boom began.
108: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:54:00.92 0.net
139: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:08:52.46 0.net
112: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:55:40.84 0.net
110: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 16:54:41.25 0.net
Just what was the whole deal with Heike Michiyo anyway?
138: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:08:46.61 0.net
All the OL’s were singing their songs in karaoke.
135: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:06:52.65 0.net
I don’t know why, but thinking back, music back then was just so much more interesting.
137: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:08:05.34 0.net
Well, back then the melody of a song would have a direct impact on its sales. Nowadays it simply doesn’t matter what kind of song you put out, it’ll sell all the same.
146: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:12:00.33 0.net
Back then Tsunku was doing a great job. He managed to write good songs for everyone, including Tanpopo and Pucchimoni, all while keeping a distinct style for each group. H!P nowadays, there’s no distinction between the kind of songs each group gets.
159: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:20:23.32 0.net
I tend to think it was the 4th gen joining the group that also marked the appearance of lots of fans who no longer cared about any of the members’ singing or musical ability in general. I don’t think their intentions were bad, but I do feel that it led to long-lasting negative effects on idols in general.
169: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:25:02.88 0.net
It was that way to begin with. Abe and Iida were the top two.
172: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:28:18.57 0.net
Just because the girls who were the most popular also happened to be cute doesn’t necessarily mean people thought any less of their singing skills for it. You should be able to differentiate these two factors.
178: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:30:40.23 0.net
The cute girls will always get the most lines to sing, regardless of their ability. There’s nothing to differentiate.
186: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:36:49.74 0.net
Was there anyone better at singing than Abe in those days, though?
184: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:34:36.15 0.net
Nacchi was a good singer so no one complained even though she was constantly at the center getting the most lines. It would’ve been a different matter had it been someone like Rika-chan.
190: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:38:49.14 0.net
To me she was always first and foremost a singer. Sure, people liked her for her looks, too, but the part about her being an idol just felt like an added bonus. For me it felt like there was suddenly a whole new genre of idols, and that genre was called “Morning Musume.”
191: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:40:25.73 0.net
The general public has always seen them as nothing more than idols though.
194: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:43:47.96 0.net
I always thought their songs were irritating so I could never get into them. It was only with LOVE Machine that I finally came to like them.
220: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 18:05:34.45 0.net
Weird. For me their early material doesn’t have an image of being irritating at all.
202: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:51:00.68 0.net
And to think that the one person who didn’t make it through that audition was Koda Kumi.
204: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:52:51.00 0.net
Koda Kumi dropped out of the audition. She was also auditioning for Avex at the time and she went with them.
206: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:56:03.70 0.net
Doesn’t matter if it’s Koda or Kashiwagi, it seems like most people who aren’t successful in getting into this group end up becoming even more successful than they would have been in Hello! Project.
208: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:57:21.55 0.net
Obviously it’ll seem that way if you just consider those couple of examples. You’re forgetting that tens of thousands of people have failed an audition for them.
261: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 18:53:40.78 0.net
I stopped being a wota with Happy Summer Wedding. It’s not like I hated Tsuji or Kago but they were just so young, it felt like I was cheering on a bunch of children. I didn’t feel like following them anymore.
242: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 18:27:23.02 0.net
I really feel like what made their early songs so good was in part the very members performing them. Same thing with Tanpopo.
263: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 18:55:26.27 0.net
Ishiguro-san even had a nose piercing. Considering her age at the time, it’d be like Fukumura or Ishida having one right now. I can’t picture it at all.
256: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 18:47:30.59 0.net
Still waiting for that Dream Musume revival…
142: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:10:27.30 0.net
I remember feeling sorry for them… Applying for an audition to become a rock vocalist, only to be made to debut as idols with such a weird group name.
134: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:06:46.71 0.net
I remember Nakazawa crying because of how few lines she had. (laughs)
136: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/09/24(水) 17:07:48.43 0.net
If that made Nakazawa cry, then just how is Ikuta supposed to react now?
Henkka: Nakazawa being the same age in ’99 as Michishige right now, or Ishiguro having a piercing at the same age as Fukumura… these things don’t make any sense to me. They just don’t compute.