1: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:25:03.97 0
Sunglasses Nakajima: “I was talking to this top wota of a certain group — this acquaintance of mine who goes to many of their concerts. I was messaging him yesterday and he said he would not be going to the concerts anymore. He said jumping is fun and that with this ban, he’s lost the interest to go.
Anyway, according to him, while he does jump he’s never gotten into fights because of it, and he does so while still following the rules. Apparently, there’s “normal jumping” as well as “jumping that inconveniences others.” Normal jumping, you jump while matching it to the songs — some songs have spots where you’re expected to jump.
That’s not the same as the “inconvenience jumping.” The problem is when someone just keeps jumping up and down constantly whenever their oshi is singing — disregarding the song — in an attempt to stand out. Moreover, as there isn’t much space, they tend to bump into others which leads to trouble. So that kind of “inconvenience jumping” isn’t good, but the person I was talking to said he never did that kind of thing.”
3: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:25:56.20 0
That’s okay. You don’t have to come.
126: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 19:53:06.83 0
21. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月29日 23:29
“Top wota” (laughs)
4: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:25:58.27 0
Sunglasses Nakajima’s wota friend: “My jumping isn’t the kind that inconveniences anyone.“
9: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:27:16.17 0
You not coming saves me a lot of trouble.
15: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:28:12.57 0
Masai: “I-I’m going to stop coming if there’s a jumping ban…! (peeks)“
25: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:32:59.46 0
Drive out everyone who doesn’t listen to what the staff says.
18: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:29:03.68 0
It’s almost as if they were saying there’s a difference between “good jumping” and “bad jumping.” (laughs)
44: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:37:30.65 0
42: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:36:54.58 0
There’s no way they could realistically classify different types of jumping, so they have to just ban it altogether. If they did allow normal jumping, then there would definitely still be people doing the kind of jumping that would inconvenience others, too.
63: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:43:41.64 0
Why not jump at individual handshake events?
Getting your oshi to personally watch you jump, you’d be one happy fellow.
45: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:37:34.33 0
It used to be an unwritten rule that the wota who wanted to make noise would all go to the back, but recently there’s been more and more people who go to the front just so they can be noticed. This ban is the result of that.
80: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:53:23.82 0
If there are suddenly smaller crowds at H!P venues because of this, then that just goes to show that the only appeal of their concerts was jumping.
85: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 18:56:03.07 0
It’s fun to do it in songs like °C-ute’s “JUMP,” but this happened because of the people who jump when it’s not regulated like that. It’s because of those selfish assholes. This ban probably got rid of all of them in one fell swoop.
103: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 19:04:51.86 0
It’s pointless to try to figure out exactly where the jumping becomes an inconvenience. Never mind the details, just warn the people causing the most inconvenience and if they don’t listen, ban them from coming at all. That’ll take care of most of the problems.
127: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 19:56:32.96 0
I liked it when everyone would jump together. Back when I was just a newcomer, it made me feel like I’d become a proper wota. But that’s something different from the Masai oshi jumping.
128: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 19:58:46.10 0
I won’t really know for sure until I go next year, but when I was at the Musume concert last weekend, I was thinking how it might feel a bit lacking without any jumping.
149: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 21:18:43.68 0
One wouldn’t be able to properly understand why they would put a ban on this unless they’ve personally experienced someone jumping directly in front of them. You’ll get so annoyed that you seriously feel like you could kill them. It’s a complex issue.
2. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月29日 21:47
Without any Masai/oshi jumping, that’ll please the women, kids, people who just want to watch, and the short people. Don’t do that stuff when you’re in the front.
4. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月29日 21:48
Is seeing the groups perform live not the main objective for these people? The people who only want to jump aren’t even properly watching, so if this ban gets rid of them, then the office totally did the right thing.
17. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月29日 23:00
I’ve seen wota get into a fistfight because they bumped into each other.
18. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月29日 23:02
They made the right choice banning this.
22. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月29日 23:30
Tsubaki’s concerts are full of those annoying wota. It’s the worst.
If this gets rid of them all, then I’m thankful for the jumping ban.
46. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月30日 13:18
They ought to put up some fences at the back row and create a specific Masai area.
25. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月30日 00:26
I’ve been a Musume wota for 20 years now, and I can say that there’s always been guys like that. The people who go, “they have to listen to me — otherwise Morning Musume is gonna be in big trouble!” In short, they want the staff to listen to and implement their opinions.
Naturally, the staff does not listen to them.
28. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月30日 00:43
I’d been hoping they would ban the wota who inconvenience others by jumping. I’m more than happy to not have to see them anymore.
113: 名無し募集中。。。 2019/10/29(火) 19:11:30.87 0
I understand wanting to suddenly jump because you’re having so much fun at the concert, but going specifically just to jump doesn’t make sense to me.
3. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月29日 21:47
If you’re only coming to concerts to jump, buy a fucking trampoline and jump at home.
“One wouldn’t be able to properly understand why they would put a ban on this unless they’ve personally experienced someone jumping directly in front of them. You’ll get so annoyed that you seriously feel like you could kill them.”
TRUTH. IT’S SO ANNOYING.
If someone was jumping directly in front of me?
If it’s a small, all-standing show? Sure.
But generally speaking, if it’s an H!P concert, you will have an assigned seat. Moving elsewhere is not an option.
45, 149, and 2 are my sentiments exactly
This ban is vital and LONG overdue for fans that actually want to enjoy the concert. Those that selfishly inconvenience others in a public space deserve being inconvenienced.
Uncoordinated jumping should’ve been tossed in the bin when management did away with MCs and Skits. Like, the very LEAST they could’ve done back then was to give us *something* good to make-up for a literal nonstop performance that simply harms our idols and forces them to retire early lol
I actually want to enjoy the concert.
Sometimes jumping helps.
You should try it some time, it’s super fun.
Duh, what is masai?
Masai are an East African people. A certain type of wota are called that because of their traditional jumping dance.
On a side note, the Masai are among the few people in the world who can make sense of Maa-chan. After all, they speak her language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maa_language
Its not just bumping into/blocking people and being obnoxious, there are stories of people breaking venue materials (using seats as launching pads, etc).
It’s too bad they didn’t listen with the earlier notice on “inconvenience jumping” (they know what was meant). That was the time to compromise, so choreographed/timed jumping need not be touched. But no, selfish people ruin things for everyone.
If people can actually follow a basic rule, maybe they’ll relax it in the future for timed jumping.
no fun allowed
lol @ the folks ‘disliking’ this > have you never been so moved by the music that you just had to do something expressive to show your enthusiasm? Like you needed to let that energy out somehow?
Cuz, standing motionless and waving a glowstick ain’t gonna do it, y’all. Ya just holding yourself back for nothing.
First, Sakura (and others) telling the fans they’re being “too loud” lol stfu there’s no such thing as cheering or screaming too loud at a concert. Maybe, MAYBE there is a right and a wrong time to do it, but “too loud” doesn’t exist.
Second, No more jumping! We know you come to the show to have fun, but not that much fun you’re upsetting the other guests.
What’s next? No wotagei?
Then no cheering of any kind?
No fan chants?
Then no light sticks because “it’s distracting.”
Finally no motion of any kind for any reason.
So fucking dramatic… clearly you’ve never experienced what it’s like to have a wota jump in front of you for two hours.
Epic foreshadowing is epic!
21. ℃-uteな名無しさん 2019年10月29日 23:29
“Top wota” (laughs)
Pretty much how I reacted…what the fuck is a “top wota”?
Do you have to spend the most in the fanclub? Attend the most lives? Handshakes?
Do you have to be the sweatiest, slimiest POS in attendance? Who even decides this?
Being on the shorter side of the crowd, I have no love for jumpers. It’s unnecessary and inherently distracting, not to mention detrimental to those behind you (and potentially disruptive to those around you).
The rest of us are trying to enjoy ourselves and WATCH the show. Jumpers can go fuck themselves. The ban was long overdue.
There is no “top wota”.
It’s someone making their own claims, but taking the responsibility off of themself by distancing from those claims and trying to give them more weight by pretending they were made by someone ‘important’.
Sadly there are top wota in every idol fandom. The crazy ones that are the loudest and do shit like Masai jumping for attention or wear crazy getups get notoriety and become considered “top wota”. I don’t pay too close attention to MM but the most famous were Pistol (he was infamous for his Kago oshi days, even went on variety shows to talk about her during the golden era, he’s into BEYOOOOONDS now) and Samurai (just got arrested at a Tsubaki event recently) and a couple of others.
“I assure you Dr. Jones, we have top wota working on it now.”
Seeing all the fans jump at once must be fun for the performers. It’s too bad a few people have to ruin this for all.
On one hand: people have different ways of enjoying a show- some people like to fist pump, or wave a light stick, some people dance, some people sing, some people jump… then there’s a select few who do some combination of those.
On SEVERAL other hands: never going to another concert because ‘THeY wOnT Let mE JuMp anYMoRe’ is super dumb.
“Top wota” Ugh. *eye roll*
Will you please translate this?
This lol https://matsuri.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/morningcoffee/1572351147/l50
So, uh, I guess they’re never going to perform certain songs again? Like How Do You Like This Japan, or, you know, JUMP? In 2016, the girls were even telling the audience to jump for What Is Love.
Also, this seems like a somewhat ill-timed ban, given that they’re drawing in new fans from the likes of Rock in Japan Fes, who aren’t going to know the context, and only see that the audience energy is sterile. (I felt this when I saw Momoclo in LA, where there was no dancing and no jumping from the Japan fans, who dominated the first floor of the venue.)
Ban any jumping in seated sections but start having more standing-room only sections, allowing for mosh pits. That should be a good compromise, and mosh pit self-regulation should dampen really bad oshi-jumping.
In my opinion, banning jump potentially means they will lose a lot of fans. This is no joke, because idol concerts are different.
However, the damage to the venue due to jumping excessively must have exceeded the damage due to loss of fans.
Furthermore, it’s appropriate to ban jumping during slow songs, but for songs like Uchouten Love, How do you like Japan, or similar songs, I can’t imagine how disappointed fans will feel if they have to sit watching but doing nothing. It’s like going to the rock concert but enjoying it like a ballad performances.
Just work on your people skills and go build rapport with your oshi at a handshake event or something. So sad that the innocent always end up paying for others’ bad behavior.