Henkka: This thread is a bit more meta than what I usually cover on here, but please bear with me. The thread is in regards to the closing of one of the bigger H!P matome sites, Hello Pro Canvas — my personal favorite since I first discovered it. It leads to a wider discussion about why the site may have closed: was it just lack of motivation or financial gain? Or does it instead have more to do with the supposed decline in the quality of the H!P board of 2ch, or 2ch in general?
The reason I’m translating this thread is to give you an idea as to why updates on this site have become scarce as of late. Longtime readers are probably aware of my personal feelings towards post-Tsunku♂ Hello! Project… that is to say, a near-complete lack of interest. But really, that has nothing to do with my recent inactivity on this site.
Yes, when I “shut down” the site last year, I said it was because of my dwindling interest in H!P without Tsunku♂. When I came back a couple of months later, it wasn’t because I’d suddenly returned to the fandom. I came back because I realized: translating 2ch is still a joy to me. It’s just such a great deal of fun, even if I’m not a fan any more. Case in point: I don’t care very much about Tsubaki Factory. I listened to their songs once or twice just to give them a chance. Nothing about them caught my interest, so that’s that. But when I did those three Tsubaki threads, I did it because it was fun. It’s just fun to find out what the Japanese fans think, and it’s fun to try and translate their thoughts. It’s, quite literally, “Wota in Translation.” If it was up to me, I’d be banging out threads about Feelings, Tyrants, Metalheads, Turtles, Beethoven and the Universe every day.
The reason I don’t is because the material for me to translate just isn’t there. In my opinion, fun or interesting threads simply don’t seem to be appearing with the regularity they used to. Why not? Well, that’s what this thread is about. Since its inception, people on the H!P board of 2ch have always talked about how it was going to die “any day now.” So far, it obviously hasn’t. But this time, some of its users feel that it’s definitely changing for the worse.
This post is not me saying I’m quitting Wota in Translation — the last time I tried that, I was back at it after a couple of months. I’m not going to repeat the mistake, but I also don’t see an increase in activity coming anytime soon. So this is just me saying: the next time you wonder why you haven’t heard from me on here in a while, try to remember this thread. Cheers.
1: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 10:58:35.49 0.net
The declining population of this place made it so that Hello Pro Canvas couldn’t keep up the quality of his posts anymore.
[Announcement] There will be no more updates after today. Additionally, I’m deleting the site on October 31st. Thank you up until now.
4: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 10:59:56.54 0.net
5: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:00:07.48 0.net
We’ve been abandoned.
8: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:00:22.20 0.net
One less H!P wota.
7: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:00:18.78 0.net
Iyashite is great because he had the good sense of changing to a Twitter matome site the first chance he got.
10: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:00:48.73 0.net
He’d already stopped updating once previously, right?
21: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:05:27.24 0.net
He stopped updating once when Sayashi graduated.
11: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:01:07.47 0.net
Time to switch to Hello Pro Matome+.
13: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:02:02.60 0.net
He’s closing the site? I wish he’d at least leave the archives up.
15: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:02:19.23 0.net
I want to make a Country Girls-specific matome site.
18: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:03:42.34 0.net
You wouldn’t have enough material to cover with a group-specific site. Especially so with Country.
19: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:03:53.34 0.net
Maybe he was a °C wota?
20: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:04:50.28 0.net
If that’s the case, he should’ve at least kept it up until they disband.
17: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:03:37.73 0.net
With less and less visitors to his site, I bet it wasn’t making him money any longer.
23: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:06:08.01 0.net
He’s on lots of antenna sites so I’m sure he had enough visitors. He clearly just lost the motivation.
25: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:06:49.37 0.net
Reading the replies he got on Twitter, it looks like wota really liked this site.
27: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:07:07.18 0.net
I really don’t get who even reads H!P-centric matome sites. (laughs)
30: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:07:47.01 0.net
I guess °C-ute-ha will be the next one to go.
29: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:07:14.89 0.net
Canvas was the most upright matome site out there. If anything, I wish LIFE would disappear.
44: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:12:50.55 0.net
I refuse to read °C-ute-ha and LIFE.
47: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:12:59.94 0.net
I really don’t understand why Hello Pro LIFE is popular at all.
57: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:14:26.67 0.net
You can really sense the malice the guy running LIFE has towards some members. I wish the site would die.
31: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:08:27.62 0.net
There are way too many H!P matome sites out there. One or two would be more than enough.
32: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:08:33.09 0.net
This was one of the top H!P matome sites… Just how much more depopulated and lacking in quality is this board going to become? (laughs)
35: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:09:10.40 0.net
I liked Canvas in the early days when he covered more joke threads.
36: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:09:14.22 0.net
This really symbolizes the decline of H!P as a whole.
40: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:11:36.56 0.net
My impression of Canvas was that it was very fair and impartial, so this sucks.
51: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:13:52.64 0.net
This place is so full of antis these days, there are no threads left to cover.
53: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:14:08.20 0.net
There are no wota left on here anyway. He should make a Twitter matome site.
54: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:14:12.47 0.net
I like sites with comment sections. It’s fun to laugh at the fights that go on in there.
62: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:14:58.95 0.net
Why would anyone run an H!P matome site? It’s not like it makes you any money.
64: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:15:34.86 0.net
Who needs matome sites? (laughs) Just read the board.
70: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:16:57.11 0.net
Only middle-aged men actually read the board.
67: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:16:02.21 0.net
I guess he couldn’t stand looking at all the gross-out pics that are posted in the Country threads.
88: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:19:33.75 0.net
Did Colorful Hello Pro die already?
98: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:21:22.82 0.net
I wish Ugyaa would post a bit more often.
102: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:22:05.26 0.net
AKB matome sites have been disappearing, too.
96: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:20:36.23 0.net
2ch made it against the rules to reprint their stuff, so why are there still matome sites out there anyway?
107: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:23:29.95 0.net
When the threads are posted on the sc mirror site, it becomes okay to reprint them. Plus, not many users of this board really hate matome sites. Most are just apathetic. Plus, what with Canvas going away, it’s obvious that you can’t make money doing it.
111: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:25:06.93 0.net
Honestly, if 中電-san (Chuuden) wasn’t posting stuff, there’d be nothing happening on this board anymore.
116: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:26:19.95 0.net
There’s nothing on here anymore besides anti threads, and the threads Chuuden makes.
121: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:27:21.47 0.net
But even Chuuden only makes threads about the announcements and bits from radio shows. It sucks that there are no more joke threads — and it’s because ever since Hashimoto started running things, there are more and more members with seemingly no personalities.
112: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:25:08.66 0.net
The long and short of it is that H!P matome sites hardly have readers anymore and they aren’t profitable. We’re a pretty niche audience.
115: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:26:00.86 0.net
Feels like the H!P bubble is going to burst any day now.
117: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:26:28.55 0.net
If 2ch is dead, people should just run Twitter matome sites. Why don’t they? (laughs)
122: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:27:24.08 0.net
Seems like operating a Twitter matome site would be a lot more work than a 2ch matome site.
126: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:28:12.11 0.net
While the country is flooded with idols, the population of Japan as a whole is going down, there are less young people, and the otaku are all getting older. Honestly, the idol culture might be on its way out.
132: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:29:46.94 0.net
Matome sites ought to all die.
138: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:30:38.81 0.net
There’s no purpose for this board anymore.
139: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:30:52.75 0.net
Hey, this board was a source of help for me when I bought a pair of binoculars.
142: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:31:23.96 0.net
I think matome sites are like YouTube: they’re important for attracting new fans.
151: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:33:17.24 0.net
There are pretty much no threads popping up on here these days that would attract new fans.
147: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:32:25.08 0.net
There are people who are too scared to actually read the board but who do read matome sites.
149: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:32:27.43 0.net
It’s not like Hello Pro Canvas is the only matome site out there. Nothing changes even if it does disappear.
158: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:33:58.85 0.net
That’s a bunch of lies about matome sites attracting new fans.
153: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:33:23.83 0.net
Matome sites are really helpful to new fans. It’s not like anyone could just dive straight into 2ch, and matome sites allow them to get the information they’re looking for quickly and easily. Plus, if you’re only a casual reader of this board, you’re going to miss out on a lot of stuff. With matome sites, they don’t miss anything.
155: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:33:32.26 0.net
Shame. Canvas was one of the better matome sites, even if I hadn’t actually looked at it in a while.
156: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:33:49.90 0.net
Damn. Nothing interesting is posted on the board these days so there’s nothing left for the matome sites to post about. (laughs) Chuuden-san is the only one who keeps things going.
157: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:33:55.52 0.net
Everyone’s going on about Twitter this and Twitter that, but I think it’s pretty obvious that even Twitter is now starting to lose steam. Or maybe it’s H!P…?
161: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:34:34.73 0.net
Twitter is shit, so I bet people will be happy when more matome sites are born so they don’t have to use it themselves.
159: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:34:13.87 0.net
Whatever happened to Hello Hello Time?
165: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:35:09.57 0.net
Probably half of all H!P wota are Musume fans, so every matome site has to focus on them if they want to make any money.
182: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:37:27.96 0.net
Nowadays all matome sites just post stuff like “wow, she’s great!” or “she’s really getting popular!” or “she’s really amazing!” It’s so boring. Both the creators and readers of those sites are going down the drain.
184: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:37:51.60 0.net
There are no more joke threads.
190: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:38:42.42 0.net
You guys going on about how there’s no value in posting any of the current stuff from this board on matome sites… (laughs) No one here is motivated to post by the possibility that their posts might end up on a matome site. You’re so arrogant. Matome sites have poisoned the way you think.
202: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:40:54.80 0.net
I kinda get it, seeing the current state of this board. Even when they do find the occasional decent thread to cover, they don’t even exceed 100 replies. (laughs)
203: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:40:57.51 0.net
Honestly, matome sites are all the same. I’m fine with just Matome+ and Witch Hunting.
208: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:41:47.22 0.net
Honestly, the stuff Unchi Hunting posts is so sleazy, it’s actually kind of funny.
205: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:41:14.81 0.net
Hashimoto is so bad, there’s nothing to talk about anymore. H!P is losing its H!P-ness by the day.
213: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:42:56.31 0.net
Think about what it means that this thread already has more replies than the usual one-off thread on here.
215: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:43:39.21 0.net
I don’t look at matome sites as of late, but when I did, I only read Canvas and Colorful.
217: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:44:08.54 0.net
More than it being an issue with this board, isn’t it just that these people can’t make money through affiliate links anymore?
218: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:44:15.64 0.net
I got so bored with LIFE’s obvious bias towards Makino, I stopped reading.
221: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:45:26.44 0.net
Even the anti threads have gotten so low-quality. It’s just haters repeating the same stuff over and over again like a mantra.
235: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:49:29.09 0.net
Maro’s not busy with anything. She ought to start a matome site. (laughs)
238: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:50:36.05 0.net
This board has so many crazy people these days.
264: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:01:26.47 0.net
I wonder if the people going “It’s just because affiliate blogs don’t make money anymore! This board is just as it has always been!” are alright in the head.
284: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:07:20.37 0.net
The timing of Canvas closing is so weird. It’s not like anyone is currently in trouble or that anyone is graduating anytime soon. There’s no persistent anti threads popping up either. It’s as calm here now as it’s ever been. I guess he just got tired. Well, good job for keeping at it for this long.
296: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:09:56.35 0.net
Nothing big is going on at the moment, so it must be because of Hashimoto. Honestly, H!P right now is in the worst Eclipse Era of its entire history.
289: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:08:42.42 0.net
This board is dying. The threads are all boring, and even the joke threads are all overtaken by trolls and haters, except for maybe like ANGERME threads. (I don’t know why ANGERME threads in particular aren’t that affected very much by trolls… maybe they just have such a pleasant atmosphere or something. /s)
302: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:11:03.62 0.net
It feels like most people who became fans around the 9th or 10th gen joining would find absolutely nothing about current H!P appealing to them.
309: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:13:13.23 0.net
There have always been threads about how this board has become boring, but this time it really has. Even the “hitori” threads and individual handshake event threads that were the only remaining solace are now full of trolls.
311: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:13:29.07 O.net
Ookami Matome no Me coming back recently really surprised me.
313: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:14:19.28 0.net
It’s strange how even though there was definitely a larger number of antis around back in the days, the board then was still functioning properly regardless.
320: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:16:30.70 0.net
That’s because the sane people around back then were just that much funnier than the trolls.
315: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:14:42.38 0.net
Now it’s nothing but boring threads with one boring post after the other.
322: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:17:12.89 0.net
Hello Pro Land hasn’t been updating recently either. I actually quite liked that site…
318: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:16:26.60 0.net
2ch was killed by these affiliate blogs.
325: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:17:34.55 0.net
Before the arrival of the akekasu, the idea of “antis” didn’t really exist. Everyone just ignored them. Nowadays everyone is all stupid about it and they make it into this huge deal.
354: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:29:49.87 0.net
Before, everyone used to ignore the haters.
Now, everyone goes into the threads to shout about how “hate threads aren’t welcome here!”
No matter which way you look at it, there are more stupid people around here these days.
358: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:32:07.38 0.net
It’s true that this board has become depopulated, but the biggest reason for its downfall is that there are just so many more crazy people in here these days.
670: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 14:01:09.81 0.net
Even the comment sections on Hello! Station videos are full of trolls now.
376: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 12:37:59.97 0.net
The reason there aren’t that many fun threads these days is because the current members are all skill-oriented. Whenever they open their mouths, they just go on about how great the Platinum Era was, or how they’re aiming to one day perform at this or that venue. There’s no group like Berryz anymore — a group that had both the skill as well as that half-assed, human-like quality about them.
488: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 13:12:13.05 0.net
Canvas was one of the better matome sites. He never posted lies or anti threads. He was honest. Those are always the kinds of sites to go first…
572: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 13:36:05.76 0.net
Canvas was once the biggest H!P matome site there was…
660: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 13:55:04.79 0.net
It’s not just H!P. AKB and Momoclo matome sites have been closing, too. There are less idols in general. The idol boom is ending.
771: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 14:48:08.33 0.net
Something like five AKB matome sites disappeared this year. It’s getting bad everywhere.
Idols in general have begun to disappear.
597: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 13:42:23.91 0.net
Idol culture has entered a state of hibernation.
669: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 14:01:09.36 0.net
There’s no doubt that the quality of posts on this board has gone down. Yes, there were more crazy people back in the days, but there were even more sane, funny people.
797: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 15:19:35.97 0.net
Like rats abandoning a sinking ship.
12: 名無し募集中。。。 2016/10/03(月) 11:01:36.92 0.net
The government should try to preserve H!P wota as an endangered species.