1: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:36:07.32 0
“That’s so cruel…”
“This is horrible.”
“i swear ive seen some of these pix before and most didnt look like this…some have been touched up to make her look fatter…thats mean”
3: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:37:30.94 0
Foreigners should just stick to complaining about line distribution.
And to whoever makes a summary of this thread: make this post red.
4: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:38:20.32 0
It feels to me like it’s the foreigners who are most influenced by our posts.
5: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:39:08.84 0
These foreigners sure sound self-important for being a bunch of illegal downloaders.
8: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:40:38.95 0
Well, there’s certainly no denying that there’s a lot of scum using this board, too.
9: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:41:10.83 T
Foreign wota (laughs) are all freeloaders and beggars so they ought to just shut up. I want someone to go tell that to them.
11: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:41:47.26 0
Their standards for obesity sure are different:
Anonymous May 24, 2013 at 10:18 PM
This is disgusting. I will admit Zukki is a little heavy, I won’t be one to ague she is skinny.
But she is not some obese human being or something. She’s still very cute, and weight should not be such a problem to begin with.
She’s a better idol than most of Morning Musume, I’d even say. Her talent and determination, her energetic and silly personality- no one can beat it.
people are such idiots. ._.
25: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:49:19.76 0
She’s obese! (laughs) Ask any ordinary Japanese person and they’ll say she’s obese.
26: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:52:26.36 0
By Japan’s standards, she is obese.
15: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:42:55.83 0
I want to let them know that it’s all just the Ikuta wota doing the talking.
19: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:43:35.17 0
16: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:42:58.20 0
So even foreigners are fighting with akekasu. (laughs)
Anonymous June 1, 2013 at 7:26 AM
must be creepy akb wotas comments. She’s only 14 you idiots!!!
17: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:43:06.50 0
A year ago the office was still doing all they could to protect Zukki, but this year they’ve joined in on the flaming. A sign of her dismissal from the group.
27: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:53:28.12 0
28: リンクス ◆NeUhqIrZmo 2013/06/02(日) 01:54:56.52 P
She’s a better idol than most of Morning Musume, I’d even say. Her talent and determination, her energetic and silly personality- no one can beat it.
29: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:55:46.44 0
If Zukki isn’t obese, then we can just say there’s no longer such a thing as obesity in Japan.
32: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:58:30.57 0
Well, in America they have people that you can’t tell if they’re human beings or just meat. Compared to that, Zukki’s just a little chubby or plump.
33: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:58:37.02 0
Of course the foreign wota who don’t realize that 2ch is an underground site would be disgusted by all the slander thrown around here.
35: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:59:37.99 0
Teary TerryMay 28, 2013 at 5:12 PM
In America, calling someone fat is a taboo and they doing it to a child. I can’t believe it. I bet most of those people are ugly and stupid.
48: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:04:29.64 0
Americans don’t directly tell someone that they’re fat. Instead they just laugh about it behind their backs.
37: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 01:59:58.50 T
Japanese idols must look too skinny to many foreigners, too. There’s a lot of girls who have thin chests and hips because of dieting.
38: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:00:48.15 0
Compared to the word “fat”, “obese” means someone who is even more plainly fat, or “abnormally fat.” I think that’s the correct nuance of the word. But even then, no matter which way you look at it, Zukki is now at the level where she’s not fat but obese.
41: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:01:12.00 0
There’s so many good people among foreign wota.
42: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:01:13.17 0
Telling a fat person that they’re fat is what you call real affection.
43: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:01:29.02 0
Fat or not, the fact that they’re saying abusive things about a minor makes them scum.
44: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:02:34.37 0
Saying that someone is obese is a taboo? Being able to fire people while telling them how “letting yourself get obese is proof of the fact that you can’t take care of yourself“… now, which country was it that does that exactly?
45: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:03:06.69 0
It’s not just Zukki — all of the members get flamed.
I wonder if they know that?
47: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:04:26.41 0
The Ikuta wota should learn from this and at least become proper human beings.
49: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:05:01.72 0
“The jobless middle age which slanders a junior high school student.” [This was originally in English]
Would they get what I’m trying to say with this line?
57: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:09:07.36 T
Japanese people are so mean with this theme, she’s chubby, we already now, the reason why she keeps gainning weight, may be related to a disease, we don’t know.
58: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:09:26.89 0
It’s because of people like him giving her a free pass and encouraging her, which then makes her misunderstand that it’s okay to gain even more weight.
59: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:10:15.84 0
Don’t make this to be about some disease. (laughs)
62: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:11:00.63 0
She just eats too much! (laughs)
63: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:11:04.45 0
If we accept for argument’s sake that she has some disease, shouldn’t she then stop doing the idol thing and just concentrate on getting medical treatment?
66: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:13:26.05 0
Proudly declaring your love of H!P while illegally uploading their songs on YouTube and leaving them comments of high praise… care to give any comment on this, foreigners?
67: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:14:41.71 O
Now that I think about it… when I first came to 2ch, I, too, remember being disgusted by everyone hiding behind anonymity while being malicious and ill-natured. It’s a country of scum after all.
70: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:15:13.80 0
The people going on about “I can’t believe they’re slandering a child“, I always find myself wondering if they don’t realize that it’s them who are being the most insulting towards Zukki and Morning Musume.
Zukki is not just your everyday, typical junior high student. She is a member Morning Musume, a very well-known idol group. She is a performer. She gets to stand on the stage in the spotlight while receiving cheers and large amounts of money. She is a “professional” idol. Depending on the nature of your occupation, you’re going to have different sets of limitations and restrictions, and naturally you’re expected to obey those rules. Zukki has not done that for over two years now. What Zukki is doing by continuing to be fat is a serious breach of contract. If she doesn’t want to get flamed, she should quit Morning Musume and return to being a common person. If even after graduating people still flame her, that is the first time that you could actually criticize those people.
Know that for as long as she keeps that figure while remaining in Musume, she will continue to get slandered.
73: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:16:13.09 0
Even from a Japanese person’s point of view, H!P wota who keep harassing and flaming junior high students are nothing but mentally handicapped people.
75: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:17:33.99 0
“Well, you’re the ones illegally uploading all those videos! It’s Zukki’s fault for being fat, not ours!“
That’s the only argument I’m seeing in this thread. (laughs)
Why are anti-fans such losers at life who can do nothing but blame others?
77: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:18:53.41 0
Why do I have to praise a fattie for being fat?
Don’t get carried away with your preaching.
88: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:22:29.01 0
Praising someone or speaking ill of them — are those the only two possible options for you? (laughs)
79: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:19:52.72 0
If Zukki loses all that weight, you guys better praise her for that, too.
84: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:21:04.44 0
But of course.
80: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:19:56.57 0
It would’ve been different if she was a good singer like Oda or a good dancer like Sayashi.
85: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:21:37.17 0
If there’s one fattie mixed in with the others, she’s going to stand out.
90: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:23:43.13 0
It’s not like the foreign wota are all inherently virtuous either. You’ll find that out quickly if you look around some of their sites.
92: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:23:56.56 0
If there’s an employee sabotaging business, they’d usually get fired right away. Even if it was a part-time job.
94: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:24:56.45 0
Looks-wise, Zukki is the member with the most potential for improvement. If only she lost the weight and returned to a normal body type, that alone would make a huge difference.
95: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:25:59.05 0
H!P wota are sick. For the most part, AKB wota never slander the junior high members. That’s why AKB made it big while Berikyuu are just scraping by.
96: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:27:33.50 0
Foreigners slander their own countries’ celebrities like it’s nothing though.
99: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:29:21.99 0
H!P would be perfect if it wasn’t for the wota. The freaks at H!P concerts are ruining it for me.
105: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:31:10.38 0
Like the freaks who flamed Fukuda just for dying her hair brown and the like.
101: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:30:04.79 0
Zukki is called all sorts of things on 4chan though.
103: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:30:26.30 0
Don’t foreign wota know that this board is a just a place for people to bad mouth everyone?
106: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:31:27.00 0
Ever since she joined, she’s never lost weight once. No matter if we slander her or praise her, she’s just going to keep growing fatter.
112: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:36:20.83 0
It’s weird how H!P wota are so hung up on the junior high members. Once they reach 18, it’s like it no longer matters to anyone here whether they gain or lose weight.
124: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:41:01.31 0
The people who slander her must be the same type of people who shout at waiters in restaurants.
130: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:42:50.42 0
The irony in the fact that the guys slandering Zukki are fatties themselves…
136: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:47:57.24 0
The foreigners championing her must be American fatties who live on pizza.
146: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:54:27.39 0
Foreign wota are so annoying.
150: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 02:59:41.92 0
“2ch users“… (laughs)
I want to teach them the word “akekasu.”
(Note: to refresh your memory, “akekasu” is a derogatory word for AKB and its fans.)
152: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 03:00:44.77 0
They lump together all the users of this board, and we lump together all the foreign wota.
This is how wars get started…
153: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 03:02:02.14 0
Well, akekasu do make up a part of this board as well, so it’s not like they’re really wrong.
168: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 03:23:46.08 0
Foreigners, especially Americans and Europeans, are so tolerant of fat people.
You can’t fix being short, bald or ugly. Being fat, however, is something you can fix.
Zukki, if you don’t want to be criticized by these fools, put some effort into losing weight.
176: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 03:33:40.76 0
If you don’t flame someone when it’s necessary, it’s going to end up being another Mitsui situation. The longer she stays in the group, the longer she’s going to hurt the group as a whole.
177: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 03:34:53.47 0
Exactly. Looks like you say some sensible things every once in a while, too.
178: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 03:40:20.20 0
Mitsui was flamed a lot and yet she still remained in the group. You’re not making sense.
179: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 03:45:54.90 P
The office was able to negotiate with Mitsui and finally drive her out. She probably had no intention of leaving of her own will.
195: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 10:32:24.21 0
Most foreigners are fat, so it must feel a bit like they’re being personally ridiculed themselves.
201: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 10:46:00.24 0
Foreigners really can’t comprehend the concept of “tough love”, can they?
203: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 10:49:56.38 0
There is no “love” in this case.
202: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 10:48:36.77 0
90% of Zukki fans are from Nagoya.
204: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 10:49:57.28 0
Stop dissing Nagoyans.
205: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 11:24:24.87 0
Zukki is definitely on the slim side by global standards. If we’re telling someone who foreigners think is slim that she’s fat or that she needs to lose weight, of course they’re going to think that we’re some aboriginal brutes.
206: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 11:50:56.62 0
There’s no way that she’s “slim.” Show some basis for your claims first. (laughs)
212: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 12:12:26.53 0
I’m guessing that foreign wota probably think that the users of this board are the standard of Japanese H!P wota.
216: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 12:15:30.19 0
Even though that’s just not true…
220: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 12:54:09.80 0
223: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 13:27:14.15 0
You foreigners need to stop thinking that the American size fattie is the global standard of obesity. No matter which way you look at it, when it comes to Asian people she is clearly obese.
233: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 14:34:29.00 0
some [pictures] have been touched up to make her look fatter
Is this not just about the worst possible insult you could say towards Zukki? (laughs)
274: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/03(月) 02:40:58.78 0
234: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 14:34:59.54 0
So you Zukki wota finally had to turn to the foreigners for backup? Pitiful. (laughs)
247: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 16:58:07.72 0
Japanese people so often just go with the flow. Even if just one person keeps flaming someone over and over, people are inclined to join in sooner or later. That’s the truth. Even if Zukki quits, they’re just going to find a new target.
263: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 23:07:40.65 0
I’ve always thought that the Japanese internet culture is really lowbrow. Foreign message boards are so much more refreshing.
264: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 23:30:23.02 0
East Asians are quick to point out and judge other people’s weaknesses. Whether it’s someone’s outward appearance or their personality, we just point everything out. It’s especially bad on the net but it happens in real life, too. Westerners don’t step into other people’s business as much.
275: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/03(月) 02:46:28.80 0
H!P are global idols, so being a H!P fan, I have to be careful that I don’t openly display any disgraceful behavior. It’d be a shame if they thought that the Japanese are a malicious and spiteful people as a whole.
284: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/03(月) 20:41:21.05 0
It doesn’t take a foreigner to see that there are some plain cowardly, horrible things said on here.
Henkka: I’m just going to hit “Publish” now and step away from the approaching shitstorm.
Source: http://www.logsoku.com/r/morningcoffee/1370104567/ (jp)
267: 名無し募集中。。。 2013/06/02(日) 23:58:11.70 0
The people translating and posting 2ch conversations on their blogs are insane.